chaadster

We weren’t talking about being fit, height, or what most people weigh, we were talking about your assertion that the insert feeling like 30psi isn’t bad. Put the goal post wherever you want it, but people weigh differently and will experience the feel of the insert in different ways because of it.

chaadster

I don’t know what all there is— as I said, I’ve lost track of the designated tubeless construction type designations, because as WhyFi notes, it’s irrelevant since I’m going to use sealant anyway— but I know IRC and Hutchinson both have airtight-lined tubeless tires.

popeye

When you resort to personal attacks you have lost the argument.

Racing Dan

Butthurt much? ;-)

Seems to me all these supposed developments are in reality piss poor workarounds to the basic issue that is to develop a truly light weight and light rolling clincher tyre that doesn't puncture. However lots of good tyres out there, and, Imo, the tales of tyres that in exchange for not flatting roll like molasses and ride like a frozen garden hose are HIGHLY exaggerated to begin with. The difference is minimal. I bet most wouldn't even notice. I dont.

chaadster

Nah. It’s when all they can offer is a trite shibboleth that you know they never had any intention of intellectual honesty.

chaadster

Crux and failure point.

Seattle Forrest

This is where I stopped reading.

WhyFi

Lol - a personal attack is when you're denigrating someone's intelligence, ability or other characteristics intrinsic to who they are. Making an observation of someone's actions is not a personal attack.

Having little/no practical experience, and zero interest, in a given subject and then repeatedly going out of your way to distract/rile up those that do, is textbook trolling.

"Personal attack..."

Iride01 

Seems like if you wait till you have a flat that you've waited too long. <grin>

Seattle Forrest

What argument? We're talking about a new technology that's available to us and has been in use in pro racing for years. It's a cool thing that might make our hobby safer and more enjoyable.

Somehow you and Danny Boy have some bizarre need to turn that into an argument.

Seattle Forrest

If it seems that way to you, then ride that way. 🙂

Why is it threatening that other people are enjoying cool new stuff? It really doesn't affect you, but most of the posts I've ever seen from you are going into a thread where people are talking about something you don't like, so you pee in the cheerios.

When I see or hear about other people riding, it makes me happy.

popeye

Let's count the number of times you have objected in this topic compared to Dan and myself and there you go again calling names. Stop projecting.

Barrettscv 

Ideal for commuters, I would imagine.

Sy Reene

Ok thanks.
I'm thinking along the lines of the following:
1. General advice has been to stick with tubes if you don't have issues with flats. I presume this is more specific to puncture flats (eg. thorns, glass, etc from road debris)?
2. However, if you want to run lower pressures (for example for some type 1/2 gravel riding), but don't puncture flat, you still want to avoid pinch flats. Hence TL then becomes advisable.
3. So if you're not concerned with puncture flats, and want to run TL and some lower pressures, why bother with the sealant? As much as you'd flat with tubes, you'd flat with this setup, and you could still carry a tube for the rare flat? The Vittoria thing adds a modicum of backup that could allow you get home to deal with cleanly. EDIT -- I just noticed that the AirLiner doesn't come any wider than for 30mm tires.
and/or
4. If you perhaps are also a rider that bought one of those 'all road' bikes (Caledonia etc), you might have a separate gravel/wide setup wheelset for infrequent rides of that type, that if you infrequently use, you don't have to concern yourself for longer period of time storage with installed sealant. Or you don't have a separate wheelset, and want to somewhat frequently swap between road and gravel tires on your rims (eg. 25s to 35s) -- I understand an inconvenient proposition if sealant is involved.

chaadster

That’s the cool thing about this period in time: options! We’ve got access to more wheel setup options than ever before, allowing us to not only fine-tune the ride quality, but also to finely manage risk. New tube types like Aerothan, Tubolito and Revoloop should be considered for someone considering to run tubeless without sealant, because they offer enhanced puncture and pinch resistance compared to butyl or latex, better accommodating low pressures and allowing roadside serviceability for continued normal riding in a way Airliner does not.

BCAC

My wheels are tubeless ready, but I wasn’t going to make the switch, since there is the small hassle of topping up sealant, and carrying tubes & levers anyway. My rides typically are 56 miles or less 4 times a week, so I’m never further than 28 miles from my home/car at most.

If my lbs recommends, I’ll try these next time around, I think. And ditch the related supplies.

I think it’s pretty cool. And while I ride fairly fast, it wouldn’t bother me a bit to keep my speeds down on the rare occasion the sealant failed to stop the puncture.

InvertedMP 

I absolutely want these, where can I order!?

downhillmaster

The only thing that is fairly obvious is your double talk.
You denounced an effective new technology mostly because of its cost yet later on you laud hydraulic brakes and DIY.
Yeah... they aren’t costly

sfrider 

I see they have one size for 25C tires on a 21mm (inside) rim, and another for 28C tires on a 23mm rim. I wonder how specific this is, and if either will work acceptably with a 28C tire on a 21mm rim...

Seattle Forrest

​​​​​​Let's ask why you feel a need to object to other people being happy in the first place.

popeye

I'm sorry if someone having a different opinion than you makes you unhappy. I'm done.