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Old 03-17-11, 02:35 PM
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So why the term-"lawyer tabs". What's the connection?
-Unnecessary imperfections?
-Being "lippy"?
-Something irritating and obnoxious?
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Old 03-17-11, 02:42 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropout...t)#Lawyer_lips
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Old 03-17-11, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
So why the term-"lawyer tabs". What's the connection?
-Unnecessary imperfections?
-Being "lippy"?
-Something irritating and obnoxious?
Because they were a "safety device" that was added to bikes and seemingly "required" by any OEM as a perceived way of avoiding the liability associated with deciding to NOT have them.

.....it's something stupid that most likely only came into being because someone sued.

It's like calling your seat belt in a car a lawyer's belt.
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Originally Posted by blacksquid View Post
Your first statement is crap. The tabs do not *prevent* proper use of a QR.
Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
Yeah, they do. The tabs force you to unscrew the nut on the other side, negating the functionality of the QR lever.
D'oh! My apologies pbd. You're right WRT the release and I was only thinking of the attachment of the wheel to the fork.
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Old 03-17-11, 03:47 PM
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I don't need to worry about it, all my bicycles are too old to have them.
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Old 03-17-11, 04:22 PM
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I'm filing mine down. 1) no more hassles and QR will actually work as a QR again 2) weight savings 3) more aerodynamic 4) it will handle better 5) look better 6) be better 7) be custom 8) all for free and 9) pads my post count by posting this
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Old 03-17-11, 04:28 PM
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*a problem that doesn't really need solving?*
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Interesting, learn something new every day.
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Old 03-17-11, 05:51 PM
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The most stupid development in cycling. To take a device that's worked brilliantly for a million other riders in a zillion different conditions over the course of several decades, and negate it completely in order to protect one person who couldn't grasp the concept? Absurd.

Off they go.
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Old 03-17-11, 05:51 PM
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Sheldon Brown has an interesting take on lawyer lips creating inferior QR skewers

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html

the article explains cheaper design techniques, but else were he blasts lawyer lips for the creation of cheap skewer designs, thus needing lawyer lips as a backup to the crappy skewer design. a cycle created for no good reason
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Old 03-17-11, 08:00 PM
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not worth the trouble but I don't race. So maybe yeah, I can see it in that sense.

I take my front wheel off anytime I put my bike(s) in my truck so that I can rack them. But it doesn't seem like its enough hassle to justify the hassle of filing them off. If it only takes me 5 minutes per bike to file them off of the 2 bikes I own that have them, thats 5 minutes x 2 bikes x 60 seconds = 600 seconds. That's 200 wheel removals before my time was worthwhile
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Old 03-17-11, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CNY James View Post
not worth the trouble but I don't race. So maybe yeah, I can see it in that sense.

I take my front wheel off anytime I put my bike(s) in my truck so that I can rack them. But it doesn't seem like its enough hassle to justify the hassle of filing them off. If it only takes me 5 minutes per bike to file them off of the 2 bikes I own that have them, thats 5 minutes x 2 bikes x 60 seconds = 600 seconds. That's 200 wheel removals before my time was worthwhile
But it's the point of it. They shouldn't even be there.
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Old 03-17-11, 09:48 PM
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I don't have 'em on my early 1980s Ciocc. I doubt master framebuilder Giovanni Pelizzoli even knows what a "lawyer tab" is.
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Old 03-18-11, 07:07 AM
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I hate them. Easy to remove, fortunately.
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Old 03-18-11, 07:47 AM
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I really don't see it as a big issue either way.

It just takes an added two- three seconds to change a wheel with them. It might make a difference in a wheel change in a RR, but my day is usually over when I flat in a RR anyway.

I do like the added security on the car rack.

Also you can use long throw cams on the bike rack to make it easier racking the bike., which solves part of the problem. http://www.bikeman.com/QR6121.html?u...ign=GoogleBase

Last point, I wouldn't file the tabs off carbon dropouts on all carbon forks.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
You can't prove that. <where's my lawyer?>
did i type PSIMET? i meant to type SOMEONE. that other guy who does my work from time to time. later.
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Originally Posted by Miami Dave View Post
CLIX anyone?

http://clixqr.com/
That looks really cool. Unfortunately, it apparently requires a proprietary drop out.

http://www.clixqr.com/ProductComparison%20.htm

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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post

Last point, I wouldn't file the tabs off carbon dropouts on all carbon forks.
Why not? Done carefully it shouldn't be an issue as the tabs are not structural.
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Why not? Done carefully it shouldn't be an issue as the tabs are not structural.
Correct ....


By the way, I would like to mention that my bikes have exploded & I am dead because I have done the following:

- Filed off lawyer lips
- Put 130 mm wheels in old 126 mm Cannondale frames
- Rewelded (TIG) a dropout on an old Cannondale ( pre-replaceable dropouts) - my current rain bike
- Using a '5 speed' crankset and 1984 Campy NR FD with Campy 10 drivetrain
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
That looks really cool. Unfortunately, it apparently requires a proprietary drop out.

http://www.clixqr.com/ProductComparison%20.htm


I only know about them since they came on my girlfriends Trek 2.1 standard. I don't know how that fork in particular is proprietary but I will look at it when I get home.
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From the CLIXqr FAQ:


Can a CLIX wheel be used on any bicycle?
No. Never use a CLIX wheel on any other bicycle. It can only be used on the bicycle it originally came with.
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Originally Posted by rc32 View Post
Why not? Done carefully it shouldn't be an issue as the tabs are not structural.
I'm talking about an all CF fork. When you file off the tab, you're cutting into the fibers of the dropout. I wouldn't want to take the risk that you're weakening the dropout and or increasing the likelyhood it will abraid or delaminate over time.

I doubt you'll have a catastorphic failure, but I could see it ending up shortening the life of the dropout.

A CF dropout already is at risk for damage from impact an abrasion. I don't want to accelerate the process
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I was surprised to find out how long ago quick-release skewers were invented. Campagnolo was a genius.

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Old 03-19-11, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
I'm talking about an all CF fork. When you file off the tab, you're cutting into the fibers of the dropout. I wouldn't want to take the risk that you're weakening the dropout and or increasing the likelyhood it will abraid or delaminate over time.

I doubt you'll have a catastorphic failure, but I could see it ending up shortening the life of the dropout.

A CF dropout already is at risk for damage from impact an abrasion. I don't want to accelerate the process
I understood it correctly in your first post. I know you were talking about full (steerer to dropout) carbon.

Again, the tabs are not structural and I mentioned that "If done carefully it shouldn't be an issue". There just needs to be some care taken when doing it, just like when cutting a carbon fork steerer.
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