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Old 01-19-20, 09:46 AM
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I don't have any cats. Will some Birds do?



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I don't have any cats. Will some Birds do?



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Yes, the market for C&V bikes is waning. Anyone who wouldn't agree to that is either not paying attention or possibly just in a combative mood.

This is partially why I sold my '68 Orange Krate (for $1400) late last year. The market of grown up "kids" who wanted/still want these bikes is thinning. The younger generations do not care much about them... so lower value.

The market realities are what they are... neither good nor bad. Good thread.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Lots of interesting comments here, but I find it amusing that this whole discussion has basically started over a sample size of one Richard Sachs that sold for a deceptively low price.

...and not one reply yet has noted that the builder himself gave a few compelling reasons why it didn't bring a higher price.

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He forgot to close with 'IMHO'


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He forgot to close with 'IMHO'
Touché.

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An interesting thing a used bike dealer told me was that demand and prices for vintage MTBs was going up. For a long time, I used to recommend a rigid vintage MTB as a "do anything bike" for someone wanting cheap transportation, but I wonder if the secret's been out on that for a bit, and people who used to get old road bikes as transportation are now shifting to old hybrids and MTBs.
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Anyway, with that being said, I picked my vintage road bike up this year for $650 which still seems a bit cheap given the condition.
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No fear, don't worry about your beloved rusty Poojoey Pxxxxxx. In the big picture, the number of enthusiast and actual vintage lightweights is very small. No matter the numbers or valuation, its not going to disappear. We like our old schtuff.

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What IS going to disappear are the majority of bike shops. And the US-China tarrif don't mean beans.

Hydroformed ally, budget Shimano dual control 700c jobbies are sold for pittance. Not even online, examples are retail stores.






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Originally Posted by sheddle View Post
An interesting thing a used bike dealer told me was that demand and prices for vintage MTBs was going up. For a long time, I used to recommend a rigid vintage MTB as a "do anything bike" for someone wanting cheap transportation, but I wonder if the secret's been out on that for a bit, and people who used to get old road bikes as transportation are now shifting to old hybrids and MTBs.
Thanks to Instagram and another forum, there's a huge vintage MTB cult following known as 26inlife and xbiking that dedicate themselves to refurbishing 26 inch bikes and the like. The most popular ones are StumpJumpers, Rock Hoppers, Hard Rock etc from Specialized, a few GTs and so on. The agegroup are mostly millenials. Tbh I would rather spend $400 making a vintage MTB an all around utility bike and load it with the best parts rather than spend it on a mid end vintage road bike with DT shifters going for the same price.

Portland is the city where the following is growing the most and it's spreading all over the place.
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We all have had our good deals, gifts in some cases. Not too many people selling the prize of the fleet. So, giving another collector a chance to upgrade on something you feel is mediocre is about the best thing that's happened in the vintage world.
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Even though c&v prices seem way down, you can't really tell by scouring a few big markets on craigslist. People are still trying to unload tons of crap for exorbitant prices. I offer Spokane, Wa as an example. Ridic.
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Originally Posted by BikeWonder View Post
Thanks to Instagram and another forum, there's a huge vintage MTB cult following known as 26inlife and xbiking that dedicate themselves to refurbishing 26 inch bikes and the like. The most popular ones are StumpJumpers, Rock Hoppers, Hard Rock etc from Specialized, a few GTs and so on. The agegroup are mostly millenials. Tbh I would rather spend $400 making a vintage MTB an all around utility bike and load it with the best parts rather than spend it on a mid end vintage road bike with DT shifters going for the same price.

Portland is the city where the following is growing the most and it's spreading all over the place.
One of the shops here is selling an old Bridgestone MB-1 for $350, and I'm seriously tempted to get it and get a period appropriate Deore XT drivetrain to run it with (it's currently got a bog-standard Atlus RD on it, presumably because the original one wasn't usable)
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I just wish Campagnolo had not stopped making triple components in silver colors.
Same here.
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Originally Posted by sheddle View Post
An interesting thing a used bike dealer told me was that demand and prices for vintage MTBs was going up. For a long time, I used to recommend a rigid vintage MTB as a "do anything bike" for someone wanting cheap transportation, but I wonder if the secret's been out on that for a bit, and people who used to get old road bikes as transportation are now shifting to old hybrids and MTBs.
I am seeing the same thing. I have been recommending old rigid frame MTBs for years as I thought they represented tremendous value. Now the really old MTBs have gotten much harder to find and prices are firming up. Meanwhile vintage road bike prices have been falling. Low end MTBs are still plentiful.

I still really like the nicer vintage MTBs: thumb shifters, can handle almost any tire, racks, easy gearing, whatever. Nice!

+100 To.a later comment: Some sellers just don't realize it yet, you see examples on many C/L and F/B Marketplace, as well as the valuation forum here. Hence my interest in starting a thread on dose of reality, recent actual sales.

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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Is it your position the market hasn't waned?
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No.
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You also probably agree the market is waning
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I don't probably agree anything.
Sorry you can't make up your mind. I'm also sorry you keep posting to a thread you don't like. Typically when I don't like something, I don't do it. But what do I know.
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He forgot to close with 'IMHO'


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Originally Posted by mechanicmatt View Post
It annoys me because a lot of good people on here get worked up and argue with each other over evaluations that we already basically know from each other.

​​​​​​And...well You have amazing restored bicycles that I have seen and admired on here for years. I mean no beef with you or anyone.

And I'm not replying to the Jackson for the same reason I'm didn't want to reply here. I guess I was just triggered after reading 59 posts of spiraling objections. I'm all good now, happy Sunday!
The OP is not an valuation of a particular bike but a general question about the market of bikes and uses a single example. This thread does not belong in the other sub-forum, no matter who objects.
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Ah, yes.... how could I miss that for 'atmosphere'. My apologies Richard.

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Sorry you can't make up your mind.
Let me put it bluntly: I have my ideas, but I'm not going to dignify this silly thread with a well-reasoned response that won't be read and won't mean a damn thing in the grand scheme of things.

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I'm also sorry you keep posting to a thread you don't like.
You keep giving me a reason to

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And so you call me"mad" for engaging in this banter. Smiles, MH
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Even though c&v prices seem way down, you can't really tell by scouring a few big markets on craigslist. People are still trying to unload tons of crap for exorbitant prices. I offer Spokane, Wa as an example. Ridic.
I have family there and look when I visit and yes there are ads where I shake my head and tell myself not to send a snarky reply about how that rusty varsity isn't worth 10% of the asking price but I do occasionally find good deals there, Seattle has the same dichotomy
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I feel like a similar thread to this pops up every 3-6 months. And every time, for 2-3 years now, it's been pointed out the vintage market is plummeting. Lots of specific examples shown, strong evidence.

I don't dispute it. I'm taking weeks, sometimes months longer to sell stuff, to the point I can't buy anything anymore and seriously need to purge stuff. Sucks! But it is what it is.

I'm still finding deals too. But they're few and far between. And usually I get beat to the punch.
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Those of us who were riding these bikes when they were new have already seen the market for bikes with downtube shifters and toe clips plummet once. Hopefully this time I'll be wise enough to take advantage of the low prices!
I am also eagerly anticipating the time when the sellers of Colnago C40s and Look 585s can hardly give them away. I'm an equal opportunity bottom feeder.
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I bought four bikes last Saturday. A Devinci comfort bike that is brand new basically,never ridden,maybe two years old. A 1984 Stumpjumper. A late 70 s Maruishi roadace 707 all 600 Arabesque.And another road bike that appears to be a Titanium build from about 1990 ,mostly Dura Ace. I am covering all bases!!! Paid $20 for the stumpy,$50 for the Arabesque beauty and $75 for the titanium bike. I just had to tell somebody.
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