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How do you know if a PDG Paramount is made in Waterford?

Old 10-14-19, 12:23 PM
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How do you know if a PDG Paramount is made in Waterford?

Got a Series 7 Paramount with 600 tri color group all original. Tubing is Tange. Where was this one made?




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Old 10-14-19, 12:44 PM
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Best origin indicator is the serial number, which should also tell you the manufacturing date.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
Best origin indicator is the serial number, which should also tell you the manufacturing date.
Serial number: 2E01788. Any tips on interpreting that?


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All of the PDG* bikes were made in Asia except for the 9c and a run of the R80, according to here: https://waterfordbikes.com/w/culture...bikes-1989-94/

Yours looks like a 1992

Correction: all of the PDG *series*

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I didn't know that any of the PDGs were built in Waterford actually, and apparently it was a very small number.

This might help:

https://waterfordbikes.com/w/culture...bikes-1989-94/
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The subject frame was manufactured by M-a-t-s-u-s-h-i-t-a of Japan in early 1992. They are best known for their Panasonic brand and are a known Schwinn contractor. Hyphens added to prevent censoring of a certain four letter word near the end of the company name.
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Thanks all, still a beautiful frame but I guess not Waterford
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Easy way to tell, Built up fork = Waterford. Unicrown fork Japan

Waterford

100_4223 by galon783, on Flickr

Japan unicrown (no lug)

100_3886 by galon783, on Flickr
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Pedigree is nice and all but how does it fit and ride? looks like a great, well outfitted bike
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Originally Posted by belacqua
All of the PDG bikes were made in Asia except for the 9c and a run of the R80, according to here: https://waterfordbikes.com/w/culture...bikes-1989-94/

Yours looks like a 1992
No, all of the PDG “series” bikes were built in asia. Waterford also built PDG, and PDG OS bikes in Wisconsin. I have a 91 model.
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Originally Posted by krems81
Thanks all, still a beautiful frame but I guess not Waterford
Don't sell it short because it's not a Waterford. As I've said on here many times. My PDG Paramount is better than my Waterford one. In fact a month or two ago I sold my 1987 Waterford built one because it didn't wow me. The PDG will stay with me forever.

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Originally Posted by jamesdak
Don't sell it short because it's not a Waterford. As I've said on here many times. My PDG Paramount is better than my Waterford one. In fact a month or two ago I sold my 1987 Waterford built one because it didn't wow me. The PDG will stay with me forever.

Your's is a beauty, enjoy it.
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Series 5 & 7, Japan with an on-site Schwinn rep. Series 2 & 3, Taiwan.

Series 7 is as nice, easily, as the 2 Waterford-made I've had, an 87, 89, and the 1990 I have now.

Lugwork, filing, paint, all really good. Series 7 650c had an amazing paint scheme.
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Originally Posted by belacqua
All of the PDG bikes were made in Asia except for the 9c and a run of the R80, according to here: https://waterfordbikes.com/w/culture...bikes-1989-94/

Yours looks like a 1992
This. Essentially if it's PDG, it ain't Waterford.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
Don't sell it short because it's not a Waterford. As I've said on here many times. My PDG Paramount is better than my Waterford one. In fact a month or two ago I sold my 1987 Waterford built one because it didn't wow me. The PDG will stay with me forever.

Your's is a beauty, enjoy it.
Yep. Any bike that works for you is better than any bike that doesn't.
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I was just thinking about marketing. It’s clearly beautiful and near mint (about as close as anything I’ve ever seen that wasn’t NOS), but Waterford helps a sale and this will be sold
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Originally Posted by rando_couche
This. Essentially if it's PDG, it ain't Waterford.
Wrong, This is a Waterford, notice the PDG on the top tube.
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