bikemore 

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I find it a bit distrubing.
I assume this is legal, but I don't know I don't like it.
Probably tons of sites doing it, I just noticed it because photobucket.com listed one of my pictures
being referenced from there.

Threads lifted directly from here:
https://www.cyclebetting.com/cycling/...picture-heavy/

https://www.cyclebetting.com/cycling/...e-photo-heavy/


https://www.cyclebetting.com/cycling/...chwinn-sprint/

Chicago Al 

I've seen the same thing; I received google alerts when the term 'centurion turbo' appeared on that site. Once it was a lift from a thread here that I started. I notified BF but don't know what action they took, if any.

qcpmsame 

Aren't they in violation of the copyright laws by taking pictures from here? If the owners, IB, licensed them then I guess they can use them but I doubt that has happened. If it is your picture and they lifted it in a search for images I would say they are in the wrong. Sits bad with me regardless.

Bill

SteveSGP

Pretty sure that unless you're picutres are in fact copyrighted and or watermarked that they're fair game for anyone once you post them on the internet.

I've always gone by the assumption that any picture I share on line is public domain.

Here's the applicable section from the Photobucket policies page.

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Your Content
You retain all your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or while using Photobucket. This means that YOU own ALL the Content you post, but keep the following in mind:

If you don't want to share your Content with the world, you can mark it "private." If you do so, Photobucket removes the Content from search results on the Site and other Users (except those you invited) won't find it as a result of using the search feature of the Site. Also, we won't distribute it outside the Site.
Be aware, however, just because something is marked "private", we can't guarantee that only the people you invite will see it. Even if you mark something "private", users may be able to find the direct URL for an image through other search mechanisms, then share or link to it outside the Site.

Remember: if you share it from the Site, it's no longer private, even if you marked it "private."

If you remove your Content from the Site or mark as "private" something that previously had been public, Photobucket won't use it outside of the Site anymore and will hide it from search results on the Site, but we might still have it stored in backup files or on servers, and we are not responsible for sites on which it was shared before it was marked "private." Also, we will retain it if needed for any legal reason.

If you make your Content public, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to copy, distribute, publicly perform (e.g., stream it), publicly display (e.g., post it elsewhere), reproduce and create derivative works from it (meaning things based on it), anywhere, whether in print or any kind of electronic version that exists now or later developed, for any purpose, including a commercial purpose.

You are also giving other Users the right to copy, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce and create derivative works from it via the Site or third party websites or applications (for example, via services allowing Users to order prints of Content or t-shirts and similar items containing Content, and via social media websites).

So when you post it, you are telling us and all other Users that the Content really, truly is yours - no one else's - and that the posting and use of your Content does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights, intellectual property rights, or human rights of somebody else. We're not responsible if it's not really yours or if you infringe on others' rights; you will be responsible if there are any costs for that.

Photobucket may manipulate your Content to offer the Photobucket Services (including transcoding and/or reformatting Content to allow its use throughout the Photobucket Services).
In an effort to keep the Site free, the Site is supported, at least in part, by advertising. Photobucket may place such advertising and promotions on or near your Content. The kind of advertisements we post and the way we display them are up to us.

We might keep an eye on Content you post, and if we do, we're not responsible for what's in the Content and we are under no obligation to modify or remove any inappropriate Content. We have provided some tools on the Site - like links to "report inappropriate content" - so you can let us know if you find Content offensive.

In order to do the things we do that make our Site and our community so great, we use some images, files, software and other things on the Site that we own or that have been licensed to us ("Photobucket Content"). Photobucket Content is ours and stays ours, but if you follow these Terms, you are entitled to use and display the Photobucket Content (excluding any software code) when you view the Site and use our services. Except in viewing the Site, you agree that you won't copy, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce or create derivative works from the Photobucket Content.

If you stop using the Photobucket Services your Content will remain on the Site, unless you actively remove your Content, and the rights you granted to us and other Users remain.

WalksOn2Wheels

I thought you were talking about just taking some pictures from the thread, but still linking back to the original. But just posting a whole thread on their website with no indication as to who wrote it or where it's from? It's not only weird, but mostly wrong, and if I were just browsing their site, confusing as hell. It's just kind of there with no real context.

Edit: and we're totally giving them traffic just to see that they're copying and pasting stuff. Maybe just throw up a screenshot of the "article" in question?

SteveSGP

That really is pretty messed up, stealing threads to fill space on your own site.

lostarchitect 

There are a lot of sites out there that do this. Google your username and a bike term you might use a lot-- I tried "lostarchitect campagnolo", and boom: https://boardreader.com/thread/Campag...e_ubXgba8.html

I'm not sure what the point of sites like this is. The one you're posting seems to lift more directly though. Weird.

ScottRyder 

That is outrageous, I used to have my work on Photobucket marked as "shared". No longer.

"If you make your Content public, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to copy, distribute, publicly perform (e.g., stream it), publicly display (e.g., post it elsewhere), reproduce and create derivative works from it (meaning things based on it), anywhere, whether in print or any kind of electronic version that exists now or later developed, for any purpose, including a commercial purpose.

You are also giving other Users the right to copy, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce and create derivative works from it via the Site or third party websites or applications (for example, via services allowing Users to order prints of Content or t-shirts and similar items containing Content, and via social media websites). "

Scott

seedsbelize 

We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

rootboy 

Nothing's safe anymore. I'm going to make my photobucket pics private I guess. Except the ones I'm going to take showing an extreme close up of my anus.

AZORCH

Copyright law gets fuzzy on the internet, and that's for certain. However, in the United States, copyright is established at the moment of creation, regardless of whether you register a creative property or not and regardless of whether you mark it as "copyrighted" or not. Registration and marking do, in fact, make it much easier for a copyright holder to pursue legal recourse in the case of flagrant violation. Even in that event, the copyright holder must demonstrate significant loss of income or devaluation of the original content in some manner... and, of course, that's an expensive path to pursue. Copyright must be sold, reassigned, or usage otherwise defined; although I haven't read the Photobucket terms of use, it sort of sounds like they are trading the space in exchange for your agreement to let 'em use your work any way they see fit. Not the same thing as "work for hire" practices that were abused by ad agencies in the 60's and 70's (and well into the 80's in some cases!) but the net result tends to be the same. Probably doesn't affect most of us on BF, but for those of us who make a living by selling and licensing creative images, words, and other creative properties it is a very real consideration. Also, there are members here who have put a great deal of patience and thought into the bicycle images they share; it seems sad and very, very wrong that scoundrels can so easily abscond with their words and images.

blaise_f

This. The photographer is generally in the right.

seedsbelize 

It works exactly the same way on Facebook. You post a photo, or anything else for that matter, and it's theirs do do with as they see fit. Privatize it or not, I believe FB can still distribute it.

SteveSGP

Yup, Facebook basically has the right to do whatever they want with your pics.

I believe all photo hosting sites have the same disclaimers that Photobucket has.



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rootboy 

One reason I closed my short-lived Facebook page. The other? Facebook is not real life.

lostarchitect 

I host my own photos in the public folder of my dropbox. Dropbox does not claim any rights to your files, even if you share them publicly.

bikemore 

One thing that is clear is the site I name in the original post isn't in the US. However I suspect there are dozens if not hundreds of sites that do a similar thing with bikeforums postings. I see it a great deal more on technical subjects. I just googled a phrase I am interested in and I got the same text (from a person posting a similar problem) on a bunch of sites. Really annoying actually in that
I was hoping I could find more then one discussion on the topic without having to leave the first page of google.

FlatTop

I've noticed "archived" threads showing up on my Google searches, and way upstream of actual BF pages.

753proguy

Which is one reason why I don't Twit, or use the Facebooks that Al Gore invented..... :-)

RaleighSport

just looked through the site in the OP... that site just seems to steal feed and claims to be about betting on bike races? Yeesh.

ScottRyder 

Can anybody confirm this? I'd love to see their policies page .. if anybody can find it, can they post it?

Scott

RaleighSport

Have you been under a rock the past couple years?
"Privacy

Your privacy is very important to us. We designed our Privacy Policy to make important disclosures about how you can use Facebook to share with others and how we collect and can use your content and information. We encourage you to read the Privacy Policy, and to use it to help make informed decisions.

Sharing Your Content and Information

You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings. In addition:
For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.
When you delete IP content, it is deleted in a manner similar to emptying the recycle bin on a computer. However, you understand that removed content may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time (but will not be available to others)."

ScottRyder 

Thanks, they make that easy to find don't they?

Scott

RaleighSport

To be honest I counted on them not making it easy, so I did it from google and got to the correct failbook page in under 5 seconds.

auchencrow

+1000

Insofar as other sites absconding with C&V threads, I don't think they have any legal standing, unless Internet Brands allows it.

If they do allow it, I probably already agreed to it in the TOS - But what I really don't like is sites like that NOT CREDITING THE SOURCE to Bikeforums - in part because I have an aversion to gambling, and I don't want it to look like I am a participant there.