botto 

gpac ftw.

dmb2786

first group ride of the year for me tonight. i'm gonna yell at someone.

mollusk

I yelled on 3/17/09.

It was a HUGE group assembled for the Tuesday night sufferfest and we had a couple of UI boys down here on their Spring break getting some miles in training for the Little 500. On the rollout out of town some folks were not communicating road hazards. I yelled - literally.

I yelled at myself on 3/24/09.

Tonight it was a much smaller group (maybe about 25 riders or so) and I was planning on sitting in for the first 16 miles or so and then taking the shortcut home. The shortcut home would give me a good 20 minute "interval" and I had visitors coming into town to go to the Penn State/Florida NIT basketball game. I really needed to get home early.

Early on I got behind a couple of riders that were getting gapped and I watched for a while while the gap grew. It got to the point where I was pretty sure they wouldn't close it without some help. I then went around and pulled them up, or so I thought. Only one of them latched on. It was so much "fun" that I went out the back again looking for the other guy to do it again. When I finally saw him he was WAY behind and there was no way that I could pull him back. Since I was cutting it short I thought "Why not be the nice guy", let him catch up, and give him a wheel to follow home instead of bridging back up. The next time I looked back I saw that he turned around! Now the pack is way up the road and I'm by myself. Much self-inflicted yelled ensued. I suitably punished myself riding back home.

Bob Dopolina 

Sometimes you need to move dangerous or overly aggressive riders out of the way.

Sometimes you get boxed in and want to work and a rider won't let you out.

Sometimes a rider will drift into you and almost push you off the road. It may be intentional.

Sometimes you are being hooked before a sprint, climb or attack.

Sometimes you are being bullied and need to push back.

It's not a bully thing. It is a racing thing.

Tariq08

And sometimes people just need some coaching

Look, I just think it's funny that you guys think you can put your hands on anyone you want to just because you ride a bicycle well, it's ridiculous, I just don't know who you guys think you are lol. I mean I see wayyy more patience and understanding at my Thai Boxing gym and those are guys that can actually give you the biz. But ok, keep bullying n00bs because they don't ride as well as you, like I said I just hope you don't do it to the wrong guy. On second thought..maybe I do hope you do it to the wrong guy..sometimes that's the only way a bully learns.

Flatballer

And yet again, you miss the point.

If some newb is in your gym, are they a danger to the experienced guys? By not knowing how to punch, are they gonna randomly hurt someone? I kinda doubt it.

On a group ride, some newb could easily end your season, or worse. Get them out of your way first, explain it to them later. The key is to get yourself and the other riders safe first, if it hurts the guy's feelings, so be it.

EventServices

Happy to do that..... just not on Tuesdays.

halfspeed

Forty-six pages and over 1130 posts and this is still completely incomprehensible to Tariq08 and all the rest. Unbelievable.

Tariq08

happens ALL THE TIME, people get kicked in the balls, toes in the eye, elbow to the shin, just the other week a guy got punched in the face with no glove while he was showing a new guy how to uppercut

we don't respond by beating the crap out of people that don't know any better, we respond by letting them know what they are doing wrong and helping them fix it because in the long run it's better for our gym and better for the sport, get over yourselves man..

ElJamoquio

You're using a bad analogy. Better one: your two best guys are duking it out. Newbie from off the street wants to show his stuff, walks straight in the door, without acknowledging anyone, and jumps in to knee somebody.

Similar, better, analogy: guy wants to show his stuff. Walks up to Houdini and punches him in the stomach as hard as he can.

schnee

If a newbie throwing a bad punch could break the necks of ten other people in the gym at the same time, you'd react the same way.

Think with your frontal lobe, not your lizard brain.

Tariq08

Alright..I will go ahead and say that if someone is LEGITIMATELY threatening your well being and there is absolutely no way to communicate with them then you gotta do what you gotta do. Personally I would rather interrupt my training to have a quick chat with the guy than risk hurting him, that should only be a last resort. Really, I can't think of many situations where it would be necessary to hurt someone, especially the ones cited here. But hey I'm not a cat 5 racer what do I know.

schnee

I see where you're coming from, but you want to pull someone aside to have a quick chat at 25+mph, six inches from someone's wheel, in the middle of a pack of 10 people? After they just took down four other people and put two of them in the hospital? That's the possible result of a lapse in attention that would just give you a bloody nose in the gym. (I used to spar with some damn good kick-boxers in college, so I can vouch for that part .)

I'm not a cat 5, I'm just a fat-ass that barely hangs with the B's at the local club, but I've been in a bike crash that fractured my skull and spine. When someone is squirrelly it scares the crap out of me. Racers have to ride much closer, faster and further than I probably ever will, so I can empathize with the 'trial by fire' for newbies.

Tariq08

I see where you're coming from too, but it's not impossible to slow down or stop if its necessary, it's not like every time someone gets a flat the whole line goes down and two people go to the hospital. What i'm saying is I'd rather compromise my training and have a word with someone than risk sending them to the hospital. Inflicting harm like that on someone should not be taken lightly, as someone that's been in a crash you probably know that better than me..

botto 

you're missing the point. again, and again, and again.

jonathdo

zzzzzzzz.

schnee

I give up.

badfishgood

i <3 this thread.

<3 2 Ride 

I can vouch for that. He's a good coach every other day of the week.

wanders

In certain circles, this can be called "yelling".

Tariq08

I don't have a problem with yelling, I was just responding to the posts about getting physical with people, I just can't think of any situation where that would be necessary. ADMITTEDLY I have not read through all 46 pages or anything close do it, I did learn a little about pacelines from the last 5 pages though, maybe the argument to get physical with someone is justified but I really doubt it..

substructure

Last week. Masters 35+ road race. We have approx. 80 racers on this narrow road. Later in the race he official actually gives up, rolls to the front on his motorbike and protects us from oncoming traffic. There was no way in heck he could hold the centerline rule to anyone.

But here I am tooling around in back on the first part of the race. No where to go. After flying down a nice hill we get to a climb where the field spreads out like warm butter. But this dimwit yells at everyone to quit jamming their brakes.
We're almost dead last with roughly 70 riders ahead of us. I shake my head and laugh. I wish I could have twittered to this thread. "Rider in 75th place yells at the front of the pack."

mattm

is that "hooked" as in, right-hooked, or something else?

substructure

Handlebars.

skipmcne

See: My bars cross your Bars, and we are now inexorably linked and destined for one of two paths.