Rehabbing a 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper SC
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hi!
no, sorry, S/N records are long gone.
IIRC, the rims were the wider version; they were trying out wide rims with narrow tires then. (remember when i said they didn't know what they were doing then? ) that's why i changed them to a narrower rim (as soon as i proved them unsatisfactory).
i don't remember exactly and i may be mistaken, but i think both original and replacement rims had a sort of U-shaped cross-profile.
no, sorry, S/N records are long gone.
IIRC, the rims were the wider version; they were trying out wide rims with narrow tires then. (remember when i said they didn't know what they were doing then? ) that's why i changed them to a narrower rim (as soon as i proved them unsatisfactory).
i don't remember exactly and i may be mistaken, but i think both original and replacement rims had a sort of U-shaped cross-profile.
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your pics are of later rims; after Spclzd had to give up the SaturNe name.
SCs had Saturne-labelled rims.
i can assure you that the original tires on the SC were 1.5", NOT 1.95.
SCs had Saturne-labelled rims.
i can assure you that the original tires on the SC were 1.5", NOT 1.95.
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Yes, I took those from the web in a hurry, so you know for a fact Specialized owned Saturne, now Saturae?
Wow 1.5" did the bike had a narrower chain stay width than the regular Stumpjumper?, I know they share the serial format with the 1985-6 team bikes and the '85 had narrow tires and narrow chainstay width, is the SC the precursor of the team in a way?
Wow 1.5" did the bike had a narrower chain stay width than the regular Stumpjumper?, I know they share the serial format with the 1985-6 team bikes and the '85 had narrow tires and narrow chainstay width, is the SC the precursor of the team in a way?
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not clear who your question here is targeted at since you didn't quote anyone, but i don't believe SpecialEd "owned" Saturne; i think it was just a name they used for their rims, and then changed it because someone else using the name (or one close to it) objected in a legal way.
(maybe someone else here who can look at their Saturne rims and see if there is still an Araya logo stamped in somewhere, or some other rim mfr.)
personally, i don't think the SC frame was any different than the standard Stumpy of its days; it was just tarted up with some cute components and a different paint color. as i mentioned, i ended up running much wider tires on mine than what it came with originally.
i bought mine as part of a shop employee deal that Spclzd did to promote the Stumpys in those early years; we got them for less than the shop paid wholesale for the standard version. i suspect that's how most of them were sold, with the idea that when Joe Potential Customer came in looking at bikes and asked what i rode, i'd point to the Special Edition at the top of the line and say "one of those".
(maybe someone else here who can look at their Saturne rims and see if there is still an Araya logo stamped in somewhere, or some other rim mfr.)
personally, i don't think the SC frame was any different than the standard Stumpy of its days; it was just tarted up with some cute components and a different paint color. as i mentioned, i ended up running much wider tires on mine than what it came with originally.
i bought mine as part of a shop employee deal that Spclzd did to promote the Stumpys in those early years; we got them for less than the shop paid wholesale for the standard version. i suspect that's how most of them were sold, with the idea that when Joe Potential Customer came in looking at bikes and asked what i rode, i'd point to the Special Edition at the top of the line and say "one of those".
Yes, I took those from the web in a hurry, so you know for a fact Specialized owned Saturne, now Saturae?
Wow 1.5" did the bike had a narrower chain stay width than the regular Stumpjumper?, I know they share the serial format with the 1985-6 team bikes and the '85 had narrow tires and narrow chainstay width, is the SC the precursor of the team in a way?
Wow 1.5" did the bike had a narrower chain stay width than the regular Stumpjumper?, I know they share the serial format with the 1985-6 team bikes and the '85 had narrow tires and narrow chainstay width, is the SC the precursor of the team in a way?
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not clear who your question here is targeted at since you didn't quote anyone, but i don't believe SpecialEd "owned" Saturne; i think it was just a name they used for their rims, and then changed it because someone else using the name (or one close to it) objected in a legal way.
(maybe someone else here who can look at their Saturne rims and see if there is still an Araya logo stamped in somewhere, or some other rim mfr.)
personally, i don't think the SC frame was any different than the standard Stumpy of its days; it was just tarted up with some cute components and a different paint color. as i mentioned, i ended up running much wider tires on mine than what it came with originally.
i bought mine as part of a shop employee deal that Spclzd did to promote the Stumpys in those early years; we got them for less than the shop paid wholesale for the standard version. i suspect that's how most of them were sold, with the idea that when Joe Potential Customer came in looking at bikes and asked what i rode, i'd point to the Special Edition at the top of the line and say "one of those".
(maybe someone else here who can look at their Saturne rims and see if there is still an Araya logo stamped in somewhere, or some other rim mfr.)
personally, i don't think the SC frame was any different than the standard Stumpy of its days; it was just tarted up with some cute components and a different paint color. as i mentioned, i ended up running much wider tires on mine than what it came with originally.
i bought mine as part of a shop employee deal that Spclzd did to promote the Stumpys in those early years; we got them for less than the shop paid wholesale for the standard version. i suspect that's how most of them were sold, with the idea that when Joe Potential Customer came in looking at bikes and asked what i rode, i'd point to the Special Edition at the top of the line and say "one of those".
Thanks for clearing all that, I'll bet you are the only original owner of a SJ SC's I'm going to meet in this forum and the story is very interesting, so do you have any idea of what "SC" stood for? My best guess is Stumpjumper "Shimano Component". But is confusing as their other '84 bike their SJ Sport XT was clearly name after that, so why not use the name SJ XT instead of SJ SC?
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"SC" who knows what was lurking in the minds of SpecialEd Marketeers 35 years ago? ;-)
Super Cool?
Stupid Chainrings?
Super Cool?
Stupid Chainrings?
Sorry, and yes my question was for you,
Thanks for clearing all that, I'll bet you are the only original owner of a SJ SC's I'm going to meet in this forum and the story is very interesting, so do you have any idea of what "SC" stood for? My best guess is Stumpjumper "Shimano Component". But is confusing as their other '84 bike their SJ Sport XT was clearly name after that, so why not use the name SJ XT instead of SJ SC?
Thanks for clearing all that, I'll bet you are the only original owner of a SJ SC's I'm going to meet in this forum and the story is very interesting, so do you have any idea of what "SC" stood for? My best guess is Stumpjumper "Shimano Component". But is confusing as their other '84 bike their SJ Sport XT was clearly name after that, so why not use the name SJ XT instead of SJ SC?
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I don't use efFB either, his is public, just google to find, well worth a look. I doubt it was Shimano Components, Sinyard was complete tyrant about his branding and didn't willingly give any nod to others.
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That is a valid point. I suspect is for the Shimano Component since its sibling the XT Sport apparently was named after the XT components it featured, both Sport and regular Stumpjumpers were the bikes apparently featured in some of the XT introductory brochures, suggesting collaboration between the companies. The February date of the Sport XT matches the first bikes with the XT Group, and the SC came even after in March '84 with a group not shown on the scarce Shimano literature until May '85 for the super plate RD and 86 for the black shifters and cantilevers. Any Shimano references are appreciated.