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11-14-17, 07:36 PM
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It had to happen eventually.
Cyclist killed by car with self driving capability
Actually a better way of saying this is "cyclist killed by driver of car with self-driving capability"
Offered without comment since the facts aren't in, and we don't even know if the self drive was engaged. But we knew it was only a question of time.
Actually a better way of saying this is "cyclist killed by driver of car with self-driving capability"
Offered without comment since the facts aren't in, and we don't even know if the self drive was engaged. But we knew it was only a question of time.
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11-15-17, 04:51 AM
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Yeah, still need more information before saying much about this accident; however, this story did make me wonder...
If a car that automatically parallel parks itself accidentally hits another person/object (parked car or otherwise) who is at fault? I wonder if this has happened yet?
If a car that automatically parallel parks itself accidentally hits another person/object (parked car or otherwise) who is at fault? I wonder if this has happened yet?
11-15-17, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Manual
Warning: During the parking sequence, continually check your surroundings. Be prepared to apply the brakes to avoid vehicles, pedestrians, or objects.
11-15-17, 08:19 AM
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More information... the car is a Tesla, and does NOT have real self drive abilities, merely intelligent cruise control.
IE, not a self driving car.
Indeed, if motorists don't use the features correctly, those features can be a hazard to the driver as well as to to others... witness the Tesla that ran into a truck, killing the Tesla owner
While not a fully self-driving vehicle, the Model S has an autopilot feature that allows the car to steer itself in certain circumstances.
Tesla says it encourages Model S drivers to stay alert and keep their hands near the steering wheel, even when in autopilot, the availability of (quasi) self-driving cars raises all kinds of questions about any dangers the vehicles may pose to cyclists.
11-15-17, 01:01 PM
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fixed it for you
11-15-17, 07:56 PM
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Either the driver put it in manual override and ran over the cyclist or the driver wasn't paying attention by taking over to avoid the collision. That's why the authorities want drivers to take control. So in both situations, it would be the motorist at fault.
11-16-17, 04:45 AM
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Soon we will see an NHTSA mandate for event data recorders (EDR) for these cars. Tesla does have its own data recording, but it is in proprietary format and Tesla has to read it out for NTSB / investigators in the 2016 fatal crash.
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11-16-17, 12:18 PM
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Good idea. Perhaps these recorders might not be programmed to discount or ignore the possibility that negative events maybe the fault of the vehicle's software or hardware, and not the driver.
11-17-17, 05:37 AM
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How can that be? Then, Tesla can read out whatever it wants.
They gonna say the Autopilot was disabled...to push the blame on the driver.
If they say Autopilot is defective...it could be the end of the company, which is struggling to make it as a mainstream car company...because of lawsuits will be flying and it's a small fry...cannot absorb lawsuits like giants like GM.
They gonna say the Autopilot was disabled...to push the blame on the driver.
If they say Autopilot is defective...it could be the end of the company, which is struggling to make it as a mainstream car company...because of lawsuits will be flying and it's a small fry...cannot absorb lawsuits like giants like GM.
11-17-17, 03:38 PM
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Cyclist killed by car with self driving capability
Actually a better way of saying this is "cyclist killed by driver of car with self-driving capability"
Offered without comment since the facts aren't in, and we don't even know if the self drive was engaged. But we knew it was only a question of time.
Actually a better way of saying this is "cyclist killed by driver of car with self-driving capability"
Offered without comment since the facts aren't in, and we don't even know if the self drive was engaged. But we knew it was only a question of time.
11-17-17, 04:18 PM
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It's Level 2 bull excrement.
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A driver is always responsible for controlling the vehicle.
Of course owners of self driving auto-pilot vehicles are going to use that capability to spend time fooling with their electronic devices.
Heck Not Self Driving vehicle drivers regularly fool with their electronics while driving.
I KNOW THIS because I watch drivers while I'm riding.
Crude guess 1/3 of drivers who are stopped-light or stop sign or getting ready to pull onto street Immediately start peering into their LAPS
They are fooling with "some equipment" guessing it is electronics and not "something else"
This accident will be human error-like 99.9% of car accidents.
(And train accidents-80mph in a 30mph zone-DUH!)
Of course owners of self driving auto-pilot vehicles are going to use that capability to spend time fooling with their electronic devices.
Heck Not Self Driving vehicle drivers regularly fool with their electronics while driving.
I KNOW THIS because I watch drivers while I'm riding.
Crude guess 1/3 of drivers who are stopped-light or stop sign or getting ready to pull onto street Immediately start peering into their LAPS
They are fooling with "some equipment" guessing it is electronics and not "something else"
This accident will be human error-like 99.9% of car accidents.
(And train accidents-80mph in a 30mph zone-DUH!)
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The Tesla autopilot is not meant for roads a cyclist would be riding on. It is meant for highway use only at the moment but it can be engaged on many roads. It is technically in beta and your hands must be on the wheel at all times or you will get a warning after around 15 seconds. After three warnings it (autopilot) will shut down and can't be started again until the car is restarted. At the moment AP really is just a glorified cruise control. It can't follow a route or make turns. It won't avoid potholes or road debris. The driver is 100% responsible for the car until full autonomy is reached.
I've never come upon a cyclist while using autopilot so I can't say as to how it reacts. If I use the summon feature (backs itself out of the garage at 2 mph) it will stop if the dog runs behind it.
We are eagerly waiting for the fully autonomous update to AP which was shown in the well publicized video released last year. It was on slow speed local roads and it did pass cyclist and joggers safely. We are not there yet.
I've never come upon a cyclist while using autopilot so I can't say as to how it reacts. If I use the summon feature (backs itself out of the garage at 2 mph) it will stop if the dog runs behind it.
We are eagerly waiting for the fully autonomous update to AP which was shown in the well publicized video released last year. It was on slow speed local roads and it did pass cyclist and joggers safely. We are not there yet.
01-01-18, 03:27 PM
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The driver is solely responsible for their vehicle. End of story.
Power steering wasn't an excuse to shirk responsibility. Neither was ABS brakes. Neither was stability control. And neither is self braking, auto pilot, or any other feature.
In my opinion, someone who detaches themselves from the full aspects of driving is irresponsible. And manufacturers are irresponsible for perservering with the technology. No automotive electronics were ever 100 percent reliable, they fail. Auto braking and child detection will fail, and people will get killed, so anyone supporting the technology is reckless.
That's my opinion, but the responsibility is fact, must remain so, and every driver must be aware of this and treated accordingly by the justice system if their vehicle causes harm in their care.
Power steering wasn't an excuse to shirk responsibility. Neither was ABS brakes. Neither was stability control. And neither is self braking, auto pilot, or any other feature.
In my opinion, someone who detaches themselves from the full aspects of driving is irresponsible. And manufacturers are irresponsible for perservering with the technology. No automotive electronics were ever 100 percent reliable, they fail. Auto braking and child detection will fail, and people will get killed, so anyone supporting the technology is reckless.
That's my opinion, but the responsibility is fact, must remain so, and every driver must be aware of this and treated accordingly by the justice system if their vehicle causes harm in their care.
