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12-11-18, 01:44 PM
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Doubtful. He was never considered a legit contender for a grand tour before he won the first one. He was too heavy and didn't have elite measurables (VO2 max etc.).
With respect to the doping, it was not an even playing field. USPS had a far more thorough and effective doping program than other teams did. The idea that the effect of his (and other USPS riders) doping was effectively cancelled out by other teams' doping isn't true.
With respect to the doping, it was not an even playing field. USPS had a far more thorough and effective doping program than other teams did. The idea that the effect of his (and other USPS riders) doping was effectively cancelled out by other teams' doping isn't true.
12-11-18, 02:11 PM
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12-11-18, 07:23 PM
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I thought he got suspended and had to retire ... and turned state's evidence. He gave up the rest of his career (not that he had much left) but what he did to evade further punishment was to testify about what he and his team had done. As far as I know, pretty much the entire team--15 riders--were accused of having knowledge of the USPS team's doping, and all of them, except LA, were offered the option of coming clean and having a reduced penalty. Sorry some people are full of hostility aimed at whichever rider ... but involving facts in the debate is never a bad thing.
Hincapie never took a hit in any way from his doping. If anything he has profited greatly from it. He had to admit he doped. Big deal he was already going to retire.
12-12-18, 11:30 AM
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https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l...olympics/n9691
12-12-18, 12:52 PM
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Kind of like the SNL "All Drug Olympics" skit.
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l...olympics/n9691
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l...olympics/n9691
12-12-18, 06:11 PM
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He's probably not as aggressive now that he's off the juice. I don't feel sorry for the penalties they hit him with; he would have gotten off a lot lighter if he hadn't dared WADA to come get him.
He got out when he did because blood doping can't compete with motors.
He got out when he did because blood doping can't compete with motors.
12-13-18, 02:54 PM
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There's no telling how many of LA's most ardent detractors sit around high as a kite 24/7 whereas LA was working his arse off for 7 years.
12-13-18, 04:59 PM
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At least we needn't wonder where he's coming from.
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12-13-18, 05:02 PM
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I guess it's too much to ask that he (who's name shall I not mention) could slip into "just a sad memory."
Best regards to Betsy and Greg.
Best regards to Betsy and Greg.
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12-13-18, 06:20 PM
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If only a fraction of the umbrage directed by some toward LA, was directed against political ideologues whose actions are responsible for the misery and death of millions...
12-13-18, 06:38 PM
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Winston Churchill probably was the premier, indispensably responsible individual, for saving Western civilization from fascist tyranny...
Without Churchill the world today would be unrecognizable--dark, impoverished, tortured. ... Above all, victory required one man without whom the fight would have been lost at the beginning. It required Winston Churchill."
So what if he Duke of Wellington started his day with a split of champagne.
Without Churchill the world today would be unrecognizable--dark, impoverished, tortured. ... Above all, victory required one man without whom the fight would have been lost at the beginning. It required Winston Churchill."
12-13-18, 09:55 PM
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Both Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen had a great deal of respect for LA's accomplishments, which isn't to say they supported pro cyclists' drug use or that they were opposed to cleaning up the sport. or were dismissive of other cyclists. When it came to drug use, some athletes got away with it -- more than we'll ever know -- and many didn't because they were caught or sometimes, even died in the process (like rock stars and other Hollywood swells have done over the years). LA is not responsible for any of that in cycling or any other sport or occupation and to demonize LA to the extent some do has the stench of hypocrisy. It seems pretty clear his biggest crime and biggest reason for all the hate and LA's ultimate downfall was for being too successful for too long.
12-13-18, 11:01 PM
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even if all Lance haters shot heroin daily, that has nothing to do with his lies, ruining reputations of others, and making millions off his lies.
12-14-18, 12:26 AM
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I don't think that it's all hatred, I feel somewhat betrayed. We found our "great American hero" nothing more than a fraud.
Thankfully, we still have Greg Lemond.
Thankfully, we still have Greg Lemond.