Help with frame ID - French with Marcarini decals
06-15-18, 05:21 PM
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Help with frame ID - French with Marcarini decals
I picked up this bike today, and I have no idea what it is. Any help identifying the maker would be appreciated. Couldn't find any information after searching online, either here on BIke Forums or elsewhere.
The previous owner bought this bike in France where he lived before moving to Wisconsin. It has tons of "Marcarini" decals, but no frame tubing decals or anything identifying a maker. The decals are all on top of the paint, and don't appear to be applied all that well. The way they sit right next to/almost on top of the water bottle braze ons and the downtube shifter braze ons make me think they are not original. Possible re-paint? The fork says "Carlos" on either side of the crown. Not sure if it's original to the frame or not. Campagnolo dropouts, front and rear. The headtube lugs have what appear to be cutouts in the shape of France. Other lug cutouts throughout are oval shaped. Bottom bracket shell says "Roto" and "Italy" and is French threaded.
The frame is in pretty rough condition, but it appears to me well built, and was built with quality components. The France shaped lug cutouts are pretty unique. Any idea what it is?
The previous owner bought this bike in France where he lived before moving to Wisconsin. It has tons of "Marcarini" decals, but no frame tubing decals or anything identifying a maker. The decals are all on top of the paint, and don't appear to be applied all that well. The way they sit right next to/almost on top of the water bottle braze ons and the downtube shifter braze ons make me think they are not original. Possible re-paint? The fork says "Carlos" on either side of the crown. Not sure if it's original to the frame or not. Campagnolo dropouts, front and rear. The headtube lugs have what appear to be cutouts in the shape of France. Other lug cutouts throughout are oval shaped. Bottom bracket shell says "Roto" and "Italy" and is French threaded.
The frame is in pretty rough condition, but it appears to me well built, and was built with quality components. The France shaped lug cutouts are pretty unique. Any idea what it is?
06-15-18, 06:15 PM
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Well I’ll be very interested to see what this turns out to be! The frame looks very well made. Never seen those lug cutouts before. The fork doesn’t seem to match the frame stylistically to me. The paint looks like a repaint to me, so I wouldn’t put too much stock in those decals. Hoping someone recognizes those cutouts!
06-15-18, 11:16 PM
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Nice frame. Not something you run across often.
The France-shaped and oval cutouts as well as the wraparound stays and other details indicate that the frame is a Cycles Gemini (Henri Depierre, Paris) product. The fork is not original.
If you remove the sticker from the seat stay caps you might find them stamped with either "GEMINI" or "DEPIERRE."
Here are some examples:
As far as I know, "Carlos" was a Belgian marque based in Maurage:
Marcarini is a shop in Hennebont, Brittany.
The frame does look repainted so it's likely that it was not a Gemini contract build done for Marcarini. I don't even know whether Dapierre did any contract builds.
The France-shaped and oval cutouts as well as the wraparound stays and other details indicate that the frame is a Cycles Gemini (Henri Depierre, Paris) product. The fork is not original.
If you remove the sticker from the seat stay caps you might find them stamped with either "GEMINI" or "DEPIERRE."
Here are some examples:
As far as I know, "Carlos" was a Belgian marque based in Maurage:
Marcarini is a shop in Hennebont, Brittany.
The frame does look repainted so it's likely that it was not a Gemini contract build done for Marcarini. I don't even know whether Dapierre did any contract builds.
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Nice frame. Not something you run across often.
The France-shaped and oval cutouts as well as the wraparound stays and other details indicate that the frame is a Cycles Gemini (Henri Depierre, Paris) product. The fork is not original.
If you remove the sticker from the seat stay caps you might find them stamped with either "GEMINI" or "DEPIERRE."
Here are some examples:
As far as I know, "Carlos" was a Belgian marque based in Maurage:
Marcarini is a shop in Hennebont, Brittany.
The frame does look repainted so it's likely that it was not a Gemini contract build done for Marcarini. I don't even know whether Dapierre did any contract builds.
The France-shaped and oval cutouts as well as the wraparound stays and other details indicate that the frame is a Cycles Gemini (Henri Depierre, Paris) product. The fork is not original.
If you remove the sticker from the seat stay caps you might find them stamped with either "GEMINI" or "DEPIERRE."
Here are some examples:
As far as I know, "Carlos" was a Belgian marque based in Maurage:
Marcarini is a shop in Hennebont, Brittany.
The frame does look repainted so it's likely that it was not a Gemini contract build done for Marcarini. I don't even know whether Dapierre did any contract builds.
That info gave more fodder for googling. Evidiently Depierre was a well known frame builder in France who only built custom frames, and made frames for some pro riders, including the "Motobecane" that Luis Ocana rode in his 1973 Tour de France victory. If anyone else is interested in further reading about Depierre and Gemini, I've included links that I found below. The flickr link to Norris Lockley's page has a ton of information, if you cycle through the individual pictures and read the descriptions.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-depierre.html
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclecr...th/3313936869/
Henri Depierre bikes - Australian Cycling Forums - Bicycles Network Australia
Again, thanks so much! I wouldn't have figured this out without your help.
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Nice find and looks like a high-quality frame with some unique custom touches like those lug cutouts. The BB shell is a Roto investment-cast shell, Italian and also high-grade, did not know they made them FR-threaded but that's what you have judging by the (fuzzy) markings of the Shimano BB cup.
Thanks for sharing and Thanks to Maurice Moss for yet another stellar "case solved"!
Thanks for sharing and Thanks to Maurice Moss for yet another stellar "case solved"!
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Those are so cool! 
On a repaint, I'd be so temped to get a tricolor themed insert in there.
On a repaint, I'd be so temped to get a tricolor themed insert in there.
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Nice frame. Not something you run across often.
The France-shaped and oval cutouts as well as the wraparound stays and other details indicate that the frame is a Cycles Gemini (Henri Depierre, Paris) product. The fork is not original.
If you remove the sticker from the seat stay caps you might find them stamped with either "GEMINI" or "DEPIERRE."
Here are some examples:
As far as I know, "Carlos" was a Belgian marque based in Maurage:
Marcarini is a shop in Hennebont, Brittany.
The frame does look repainted so it's likely that it was not a Gemini contract build done for Marcarini. I don't even know whether Dapierre did any contract builds.
The France-shaped and oval cutouts as well as the wraparound stays and other details indicate that the frame is a Cycles Gemini (Henri Depierre, Paris) product. The fork is not original.
If you remove the sticker from the seat stay caps you might find them stamped with either "GEMINI" or "DEPIERRE."
Here are some examples:
As far as I know, "Carlos" was a Belgian marque based in Maurage:
Marcarini is a shop in Hennebont, Brittany.
The frame does look repainted so it's likely that it was not a Gemini contract build done for Marcarini. I don't even know whether Dapierre did any contract builds.
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LOL, you had me at "France-shaped-cutouts." That is the weirdest franking thing I've ever heard on this forum. And it's all true! Good lord, could you imagine Miele doing Canada-shaped cutouts? TREK doing USA-shaped cutouts? Or cutouts shaped like Wisconsin, which, come to think of it, looks sorta like France, turned sideways.
Very, very cool. mon ami.
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An just imagine if a bicycle were Chileano produced...where the heck would they put the cutout?!?! Would probably have to do it as a raised braze-on on one of the tubes...
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An just imagine if a bicycle were Chileano produced...where the heck would they put the cutout?!?! Would probably have to do it as a raised braze-on on one of the tubes...
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