'New' frameset day ... better'n new bike day?
04-02-23, 12:02 PM
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'New' frameset day ... better'n new bike day?
..... as always depends....
anyway,... I had planned to take components from one bike to build the Harding/Holdsworth Pro. I do not need another bike,
. But the frameset arrived and I started playing in the component stash boxes.
To answer the Titled question - with a frameset, the build options are quite wide open. So, given one's proclivities maybe the frameset is a more exciting acquisition.
The frame in question with a bunch of parts hung. Not ready to build yet. Questions unanswered. Which bike for Cino?, needs the triple!
Thanks to BF member @Charles Wahl for moving the Harding my way. Hope it feels at home with Hardings.
anyway,... I had planned to take components from one bike to build the Harding/Holdsworth Pro. I do not need another bike,
. But the frameset arrived and I started playing in the component stash boxes.To answer the Titled question - with a frameset, the build options are quite wide open. So, given one's proclivities maybe the frameset is a more exciting acquisition.
The frame in question with a bunch of parts hung. Not ready to build yet. Questions unanswered. Which bike for Cino?, needs the triple!
Thanks to BF member @Charles Wahl for moving the Harding my way. Hope it feels at home with Hardings.
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04-02-23, 12:19 PM
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I remember back in the 1970s when the Harding marque started showing up in Charlie Harding's shop on Westwood Bl., near UCLA.
Much more recently, I learned that the husband of one of my fellow local cycling advocates here in San Diego County used to work there, and that's where they met.
Much more recently, I learned that the husband of one of my fellow local cycling advocates here in San Diego County used to work there, and that's where they met.
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04-02-23, 02:58 PM
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Looks great! I'd only suggest that you choose components that match the frame's level of "beausage", to the extent possible. Especially for Cino.
04-02-23, 06:55 PM
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@Charles Wahl - who owned this before you? A BF member?
Was it a Charlie Harding Los Angeles CA sell? Or... did it travel from Ireland to East Coast USA?
@ehcoplex - he can appreciate the possibilities. This was to be all Campa with 52/42 cranks, could still be, who knows? not even me!
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And a more durable chain than the featherweight invisible unobtanium chain. But these electronic wireless brakes (nutted) and rear derailleur (Pat '72) are all the shizz! 
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@Charles Wahl - who owned this before you? A BF member?
Was it a Charlie Harding Los Angeles CA sell? Or... did it travel from Ireland to East Coast USA?
Was it a Charlie Harding Los Angeles CA sell? Or... did it travel from Ireland to East Coast USA?
https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=717956&page=1
As to the provenance of this particular frame: one George Harding (from Ireland), who contributed to the above thread briefly, wrote me (via PM) about Hardings after some initial miscommunication. Apparently Harding's shop in Cork contracted with Holdsworth for about 200 frames in the '70s, a pair of which were used by Seán Kelly in Tour of Britain 1976 and by Pat McQuaid to win the Tour of Ireland (with Kelly as teammate) in the same year. He relates the emigration of Charlie Harding, first to Canada, then to LA, where he opened Harding's shop there. As of his writing, Charlie was still living in LA. I couldn't tell you whether the frame in question was purchased in Ireland and made its way to the West Coast, or had been sold by Charlie Harding from LA; shnibop says in the thread above that he bought it on "local CL", which I assume was in the Seattle area. So it's come back home, in a fashion.
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Verily. It requires a most highly skilled cyclist to manage a machine whose drive chain exists only on the lowest of the three aetheric planes...
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Here's a link to the original BF thread about this frame, and other Harding/Holdsworth Pro issues, started by the BF member (shnibop, whose last post was in 2021) who sold it to me:
https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=717956&page=1
As to the provenance of this particular frame: one George Harding (from Ireland), who contributed to the above thread briefly, wrote me (via PM) about Hardings after some initial miscommunication. Apparently Harding's shop in Cork contracted with Holdsworth for about 200 frames in the '70s, a pair of which were used by Seán Kelly in Tour of Britain 1976 and by Pat McQuaid to win the Tour of Ireland (with Kelly as teammate) in the same year. He relates the emigration of Charlie Harding, first to Canada, then to LA, where he opened Harding's shop there. As of his writing, Charlie was still living in LA. I couldn't tell you whether the frame in question was purchased in Ireland and made its way to the West Coast, or had been sold by Charlie Harding from LA; shnibop says in the thread above that he bought it on "local CL", which I assume was in the Seattle area. So it's come back home, in a fashion.
https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=717956&page=1
As to the provenance of this particular frame: one George Harding (from Ireland), who contributed to the above thread briefly, wrote me (via PM) about Hardings after some initial miscommunication. Apparently Harding's shop in Cork contracted with Holdsworth for about 200 frames in the '70s, a pair of which were used by Seán Kelly in Tour of Britain 1976 and by Pat McQuaid to win the Tour of Ireland (with Kelly as teammate) in the same year. He relates the emigration of Charlie Harding, first to Canada, then to LA, where he opened Harding's shop there. As of his writing, Charlie was still living in LA. I couldn't tell you whether the frame in question was purchased in Ireland and made its way to the West Coast, or had been sold by Charlie Harding from LA; shnibop says in the thread above that he bought it on "local CL", which I assume was in the Seattle area. So it's come back home, in a fashion.
Makes me a 3rd generation BF owner.
. Is that good? 
Wonder what happened to @shnibop?
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