My riding partner is some kind of Fred?
04-05-12, 08:46 PM
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I remember doing this when I first started. I would be on my mountain bike - and oh so proud drafting behind roadies. Then one day, one guy pulled over and laughed at me. After that, I stopped, and got myself my own road bike.
04-05-12, 08:57 PM
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Oh c'mon, it's fun every now and then. However, I don't agree with the drafting part. I hate when other people over-take me when I am intentionally going slow, then when I pass them they turn it in to a competition. When I drop them up hill they give up, which is no fun--at least try!
04-05-12, 09:20 PM
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I'd encourage him for at least a few more rides, tell him that you're really impressed w/ his "racing" skills, etc --- seems like you should be able to get at least a few more laughs out of his behavior.
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04-05-12, 10:28 PM
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Why ya'll act as if these accidents happen only when one is drafting against someone's will or only to strangers. Pro cycling is full of crashes because riders draft each other. Nobody is talking about sneaking behind someone and draft them without them knowing. If a rider is cocky enough to pass me but not strong enough to drop me then he should have stayed behind me and enjoyed the draft. Now that you are in front I am going to suck the hell out of your wheel.
04-05-12, 11:04 PM
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Confused by some of the responses to this thread. If you sit on my wheel I would expect at some point for you to pull through, simple ride etiquette, if not I will slow the pace and alter route as I have nothing to prove. I wouldn't bother to brake check as I don't want anyone crashing me.
Could I drop you if I wanted? Depends, does your license have a P on it?
Could I drop you if I wanted? Depends, does your license have a P on it?
04-05-12, 11:11 PM
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Confused by some of the responses to this thread. If you sit on my wheel I would expect at some point for you to pull through, simple ride etiquette, if not I will slow the pace and alter route as I have nothing to prove. I wouldn't bother to brake check as I don't want anyone crashing me.
Could I drop you if I wanted? Depends, does your license have a P on it?
Could I drop you if I wanted? Depends, does your license have a P on it?
Based on the brakecheckers and wheelsuckers in this thread, it's no wonder there's so many a-holes behind the wheel of 3,500lb vehicles as well.
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04-05-12, 11:14 PM
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Haha that made me laugh. I get the same thing in the car. I drive quick and I'll be cruising past some at 85-90. All of a sudden they speed up and ride my ass. If you wanted to go that fast why not do it on your own d-bag?
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Confused by some of the responses to this thread. If you sit on my wheel I would expect at some point for you to pull through, simple ride etiquette, if not I will slow the pace and alter route as I have nothing to prove. I wouldn't bother to brake check as I don't want anyone crashing me.
Could I drop you if I wanted? Depends, does your license have a P on it?
Could I drop you if I wanted? Depends, does your license have a P on it?
04-05-12, 11:31 PM
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Flanders vs training ride. Pro vs freds. I can guarantee that in our group of riders if someone latches on they are going to do a little work.
When racing I will conserve energy based on the flow of the race but in all instances there is a sense of accomplishment when working on a ride.
04-05-12, 11:34 PM
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04-06-12, 04:12 AM
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Drafting is a team effort. The rider in front has to know how to react just as the rider in the back does. It requires practice. It still is risky, but faster with a team. In a race the risk is accepted, same for a well operating pace line. Everyone works together and knows what to expect.
Riding close behind another rider when they don't know how to react, or even if they don't know you are there (!!!) is just tailgating. It is hugely uninformed. If the front rider slams on the brakes you could knock him down as you hit hit him hard.
Again, this has nothing to do with attitude, being polite, or friendly. Nothing...........nothing.....you are putting the front rider in danger of a serious accident.
The laws of physics have not been changed. You can hit him hard and hurt him. You have no right to put another rider in a dangerous situation just because you don't know what you are doing.
Just as tailgating in a car is very dangerous, that's why it's illegal. You are putting the one in front in serious danger too.
Recreational riders drafting strangers, because they see others do it, is either lack of knowledge of lack of skill. Don't do it. It is dumb !!! It's just monkey see monkey do.
Draft me without telling me and I'm pissed at your selfish uninformed idiocy. I should be, you have it coming. I might be polite, but I know you are putting me in danger. I did not give you permission to do that.
Riding close behind another rider when they don't know how to react, or even if they don't know you are there (!!!) is just tailgating. It is hugely uninformed. If the front rider slams on the brakes you could knock him down as you hit hit him hard.
Again, this has nothing to do with attitude, being polite, or friendly. Nothing...........nothing.....you are putting the front rider in danger of a serious accident.
The laws of physics have not been changed. You can hit him hard and hurt him. You have no right to put another rider in a dangerous situation just because you don't know what you are doing.
Just as tailgating in a car is very dangerous, that's why it's illegal. You are putting the one in front in serious danger too.
Recreational riders drafting strangers, because they see others do it, is either lack of knowledge of lack of skill. Don't do it. It is dumb !!! It's just monkey see monkey do.
Draft me without telling me and I'm pissed at your selfish uninformed idiocy. I should be, you have it coming. I might be polite, but I know you are putting me in danger. I did not give you permission to do that.
Since your post is frought with ridiculous assumptions and you need a little help, as one poster said adroitly...all you have to do is sit up on your bike and slow down and let the drafter pass and he or she will. If your ego can't take that, then suffer the consequences. All you have to do. Same thing when driving 2 tons of steel out on the road...or riding a motorcycle if you can't stay out of harms way. Pull over if you aren't willing to block the wind for strangers or if you feel you are in such danger. You can't control other people nor do you know their propensity to ride which is likely much greater than yours.
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04-06-12, 04:17 AM
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OK I'm fairly new here, what's the 41 and 33 you talk about?
04-06-12, 04:19 AM
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Yep, if someone is drafting me unannounced for more than, say ~1 minute, I just sit up/ turn it down a notch or two and let them pass. Really don't see the point in "dropping them", brake checking or doing them any favors.
Based on the brakecheckers and wheelsuckers in this thread, it's no wonder there's so many a-holes behind the wheel of 3,500lb vehicles as well.
Based on the brakecheckers and wheelsuckers in this thread, it's no wonder there's so many a-holes behind the wheel of 3,500lb vehicles as well.
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04-06-12, 04:46 AM
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You give me permission? Who are you? Wait a minute. I don't care. What an absurd post. Just goes to show how convoluted thinking can be. You don't own the road or a single space out on it. Life is a chess game. You can not control others nor do you know if the guy drafting you is a talented racer who just did 100 miles and wants to take a break from the wind.
Since your post is frought with ridiculous assumptions and you need a little help, as one poster said adroitly...all you have to do is sit up on your bike and slow down and let the drafter pass and he or she will. If your ego can't take that, then suffer the consequences. All you have to do. Same thing when driving 2 tons of steel out on the road...or riding a motorcycle if you can't stay out of harms way. Pull over if you aren't willing to block the wind for strangers or if you feel you are in such danger. You can't control other people nor do you know their propensity to ride which is likely much greater than yours.
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04-06-12, 05:16 AM
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I didn't know there were militant stealth wheelsuckers. Learn something new every day.
04-06-12, 06:20 AM
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If you're going to follow my wheel unannounced, there are a few things you should know:
1) If I don't know you're back there, there's a very good chance you'll get pasted with a snot rocket.
2) If I don't know you're back there, I won't be pointing out road hazards.
3) Every time I'm on my bike, I have a plan. Long, sustained efforts are reserved for group rides and the occasional race. So if you're trying to use the opportunity to guage your progress or where you stand with "real roadies", you've chosen a poor way to do it. I'm either at endurance pace, recovery pace, or doing intervals.
4) If I happen to be doing intervals, I will make sudden accelerations and then back off. This has nothing to do with you and what you are doing. I'm not "racing".
If you want to be sociable, pull up and be sociable. Depending upon what I'm doing, I may be up for that. If you want to find out where you are with the local fast guys and don't know if you're ready to race, show up for the Wednesday night group ride. Saturday is a good ride too, it's longer but isn't as aggressive.
And finally, male cyclists stealth wheelsucking female cyclists is just plain creepy.
1) If I don't know you're back there, there's a very good chance you'll get pasted with a snot rocket.
2) If I don't know you're back there, I won't be pointing out road hazards.
3) Every time I'm on my bike, I have a plan. Long, sustained efforts are reserved for group rides and the occasional race. So if you're trying to use the opportunity to guage your progress or where you stand with "real roadies", you've chosen a poor way to do it. I'm either at endurance pace, recovery pace, or doing intervals.
4) If I happen to be doing intervals, I will make sudden accelerations and then back off. This has nothing to do with you and what you are doing. I'm not "racing".
If you want to be sociable, pull up and be sociable. Depending upon what I'm doing, I may be up for that. If you want to find out where you are with the local fast guys and don't know if you're ready to race, show up for the Wednesday night group ride. Saturday is a good ride too, it's longer but isn't as aggressive.
And finally, male cyclists stealth wheelsucking female cyclists is just plain creepy.
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04-06-12, 08:00 AM
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04-06-12, 08:17 AM
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Good to see the obligatory Tough Guys are here - "I'll brake check you and make you crash for daring to do something that has very minimal impact on my safety* and which, while not polite, isn't illegal either".
*You do know that the guy who's drafting is the one who's going to crash if he tangles up the wheels, right?
*You do know that the guy who's drafting is the one who's going to crash if he tangles up the wheels, right?
04-06-12, 08:22 AM
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What's with all the passive aggression? You are on a bike. There is no windows or anything between you. Talk. If you want to be left alone, then say as much. Ease a notch, let them go past since they were obviously going faster than you to get onto your wheel. But, hell, it's kind of fun to find someone else on a ride and ride with them. Ride two up for a while and chat. If you are doing intervals, ask if he wants to join.
And if you are so oblivious to their presence that you don't hear them on your wheel, then, well, no harm no foul.
And if you are so oblivious to their presence that you don't hear them on your wheel, then, well, no harm no foul.
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04-06-12, 08:24 AM
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This subject seems to come up at least once every year. It's not cool to grab a random wheel without saying something. Just like you don't sit at someone else's table at a restaurant.
If someone is going to latch on to my wheel at least say "Hey!". I ride dirty lines and narrow pothole edges when by myself. Sometimes I hop junk on the road. So if I have an unannounced drafter who is not riding with me I will not point and they are on their own. If I don't want a drafter on my wheel I sit up and let them pass. Either way it's not a good practice and poor manners to latch on.
If someone is going to latch on to my wheel at least say "Hey!". I ride dirty lines and narrow pothole edges when by myself. Sometimes I hop junk on the road. So if I have an unannounced drafter who is not riding with me I will not point and they are on their own. If I don't want a drafter on my wheel I sit up and let them pass. Either way it's not a good practice and poor manners to latch on.