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13.6lb bike
I was at my LBS, 360 Cyclesport (great shop BTW), and they have just built up a TIME VXRS and minus pedals they have got it down to 13.6#. They are waiting for the new LOOK Keo pedals, the ti version is only 95g per pedal! This thing is still waiting to be sized so most likely the seat post and fork will be cut down shaving off more grams. All of this wonderfull lightness can be had for about $9,500.00.
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UCI ruled that a road bike can NOT be weight less than 6.8Kg. That is, 15 lbs. Uh, oh. The expensive bike cannot be use in racing. What a waste.
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so lets do some math just for fun:
a 19lb Giant with Ultegra can be gotten for for about $1100.. so, for the 5.4lb savings you pay $8,400.. this comes out to around $1,555 a pound.
I can go on a diet and lose 5.5lb in 4 weeks.. Wow! Id make a ton of money..
a 19lb Giant with Ultegra can be gotten for for about $1100.. so, for the 5.4lb savings you pay $8,400.. this comes out to around $1,555 a pound.
I can go on a diet and lose 5.5lb in 4 weeks.. Wow! Id make a ton of money..
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Originally Posted by sorebutt
so lets do some math just for fun:
a 19lb Giant with Ultegra can be gotten for for about $1100.. so, for the 5.4lb savings you pay $8,400.. this comes out to around $1,555 a pound.
I can go on a diet and lose 5.5lb in 4 weeks.. Wow! Id make a ton of money..
a 19lb Giant with Ultegra can be gotten for for about $1100.. so, for the 5.4lb savings you pay $8,400.. this comes out to around $1,555 a pound.
I can go on a diet and lose 5.5lb in 4 weeks.. Wow! Id make a ton of money..
Trust me if you lost 5.5# that Giant still wont feel like that TIME. I'm not saying I'd pay it (allthough if I had it.....) but my Orbea Orca at 15.10# would feel much better than that Giant. Besides if I lost 5.5# I'd start to look a little sick!
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Originally Posted by MERTON
they need to give us some of that then... stupid bush tax plans.
I love them.
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Originally Posted by 2Rodies
Trust me if you lost 5.5# that Giant still wont feel like that TIME. I'm not saying I'd pay it (allthough if I had it.....) but my Orbea Orca at 15.10# would feel much better than that Giant. Besides if I lost 5.5# I'd start to look a little sick!
I know what you are saying.. My Custom Eisentraut is much a better bike then my Giant, but it is also 3 pound heavier.. so it is not all about weight.. And thats the point I was trying (my attempt at humor) to make..
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RACING? If I had that bike it wouldnt leave the house...no no Matter of fact I would build a plexiglass box around it and hire 2 armed guards
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Originally Posted by daratbastid
RACING? If I had that bike it wouldnt leave the house...no no Matter of fact I would build a plexiglass box around it and hire 2 armed guards
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Originally Posted by sorebutt
so lets do some math just for fun:
a 19lb Giant with Ultegra can be gotten for for about $1100.. so, for the 5.4lb savings you pay $8,400.. this comes out to around $1,555 a pound.
I can go on a diet and lose 5.5lb in 4 weeks.. Wow! Id make a ton of money..
a 19lb Giant with Ultegra can be gotten for for about $1100.. so, for the 5.4lb savings you pay $8,400.. this comes out to around $1,555 a pound.
I can go on a diet and lose 5.5lb in 4 weeks.. Wow! Id make a ton of money..
Ha! I lost 30lbs over the course of a year just commuting to work via bike.. who wants to start coughing up the money? I'll take paypal..
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Not all weight reduction is equal in effect -- for example, there's a lot of difference between taking a pound off of the rider and reducing rotating mass by taking a pound off of the wheelset of the bike. I'm not trying to argue that it's worth spending thousands to rid the bike of that last pound or two, just saying that there isn't a direct correlation between weight off the rider and weight off the bike.
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g'day,
it's largely a mute point anyway, seeing as the UCI won't legalise anything under 6.8kg for racing. The other issue is, of course they can make 'em light, but the manufacturers aren't gunna guarantee them, therefore no-ones gunna buy them. Scott had a proto type bike out last year, I think they called it the CR1 superlight that came in at 4.6kg (10.1lbs)......I bet you can't get a lifetime warranty on technology that 'pushes the envelope' that much!........
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it's largely a mute point anyway, seeing as the UCI won't legalise anything under 6.8kg for racing. The other issue is, of course they can make 'em light, but the manufacturers aren't gunna guarantee them, therefore no-ones gunna buy them. Scott had a proto type bike out last year, I think they called it the CR1 superlight that came in at 4.6kg (10.1lbs)......I bet you can't get a lifetime warranty on technology that 'pushes the envelope' that much!........
cheers,
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Originally Posted by ericmorin
Ha! I lost 30lbs over the course of a year just commuting to work via bike.. who wants to start coughing up the money? I'll take paypal..
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You can get a bike just as or almost as light for less money.
Not everybody rides UCI sanctioned events.
There are a number of manufactures who make bikes below the UCI weight limit and offer up to lifetime warranties on them.
Even the bike built to start this thread has a lifetime warranty on the frame. The frame isn't even that light, wrench science puts the weight at 2.3lbs (plus you need to add a fork).
I wish people would get a bit better grasp on this concept, a pound removed from the wheels is different than a pound off the frame, a pound off the frame is different than a pound off the rider.
Nobody is going to argue which is better in the long run, being at a "healthier" weight or having an ultra-light bike, but there are reasons why people want these bikes, and a lot of times it isn't just snob appeal.
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it's largely a mute point anyway, seeing as the UCI won't legalise anything under 6.8kg for racing.
The other issue is, of course they can make 'em light, but the manufacturers aren't gunna guarantee them, therefore no-ones gunna buy them. Scott had a proto type bike out last year, I think they called it the CR1 superlight that came in at 4.6kg (10.1lbs)......I bet you can't get a lifetime warranty on technology that 'pushes the envelope' that much!
Even the bike built to start this thread has a lifetime warranty on the frame. The frame isn't even that light, wrench science puts the weight at 2.3lbs (plus you need to add a fork).
Not all weight reduction is equal in effect -- for example, there's a lot of difference between taking a pound off of the rider and reducing rotating mass by taking a pound off of the wheelset of the bike.
Nobody is going to argue which is better in the long run, being at a "healthier" weight or having an ultra-light bike, but there are reasons why people want these bikes, and a lot of times it isn't just snob appeal.
Andrew
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Geez I just posted this because this was a really *****en bike (yes I used the word *****en...I'm old). Yeah you could probably build a bike just as light for less $$$ but it wouldn't be much less. I believe TIME warrantee's the VXRS so that's not an issue either. The LBS didn't build this bike to race it in UCI events. It was and exersize in "how light can I get". I would love to own this thing, it's light, stiff and beautiful.
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Originally Posted by Ajay213
I wish people would get a bit better grasp on this concept, a pound removed from the wheels is different than a pound off the frame, a pound off the frame is different than a pound off the rider.
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But my question for my understanding is how is weight off of frame/non moving parts different than off of body. I don't doubt it as it makes sense (i.e frame moves independenly from body, body moves to change balance, etc.) but is there more detail on this?
Al - who up until yesterday rode a 33.5lbs no shocks mt. bike
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Here is an exaple that might help.
Take two cars with identical hp and weight. Now car A wheels weigh 100#'s while car B's weigh 75#. It takes less energy to get the wheels on car B to move. The same is with the wheels on your bike.
Yes it is true that a lighter rider generally has an advantage while climbing (fitness being equal) having to move a lighter machine is also an advantage. If you need to expend less energy to propel the wheels/cranks/pedals you have an advantage over the rider that doesn't.
Take two cars with identical hp and weight. Now car A wheels weigh 100#'s while car B's weigh 75#. It takes less energy to get the wheels on car B to move. The same is with the wheels on your bike.
Yes it is true that a lighter rider generally has an advantage while climbing (fitness being equal) having to move a lighter machine is also an advantage. If you need to expend less energy to propel the wheels/cranks/pedals you have an advantage over the rider that doesn't.
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My 60 cm Orbea Altec Carbon Ultegra equiped Mavic Ksyriam Elite bike weighs 19 pound with pedals and I'm happy with it.
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[QUOTE=Ajay213]You can get a bike just as or almost as light for less money.
Not everybody rides UCI sanctioned events.
There are a number of manufactures who make bikes below the UCI weight limit and offer up to lifetime warranties on them.
Even the bike built to start this thread has a lifetime warranty on the frame. The frame isn't even that light, wrench science puts the weight at 2.3lbs (plus you need to add a fork).
I wish people would get a bit better grasp on this concept, a pound removed from the wheels is different than a pound off the frame, a pound off the frame is different than a pound off the rider.
Nobody is going to argue which is better in the long run, being at a "healthier" weight or having an ultra-light bike, but there are reasons why people want these bikes, and a lot of times it isn't just snob appeal.
G'day,
it's easy to mix & match parts from different manufacturers & get a bike that comes under 6.8kg,.....my LBS did it with a 6-13, as an exercise in how low can they go.....this isn't the point. The problem that has made minimum weight requirements a 'mute' point is that there doesn't appear to be,(& i know that you guys will correct me if I'm wrong!), a minimum weight requirement for each component. This leads to the farcical situation of Cannondale making delivering saeco 'bikes' that are well below 6.8kg, & simply adding 'sinkers' to the frame to reach the legal limit.....If this doesn't make a farce of the rule i don't know what does!. The UCI have started 'approving' components for use in racing, but whether that means, in future, that any combination of this 'approved' components is legal, (regardless of the weight), remains to be seen. But that might be to 'clever' a solution for the UCI to cope with. You mentioned, non UCI sanctioned races?.....why would you bother, the UCI is far from perfect, but they are at least consistant & provide a framework for racing as a level playing field. Any road racing outside the UCI umbrella is likely to be 'anything goes'.....didn't they make a movie about that....Rollerball?
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Not everybody rides UCI sanctioned events.
There are a number of manufactures who make bikes below the UCI weight limit and offer up to lifetime warranties on them.
Even the bike built to start this thread has a lifetime warranty on the frame. The frame isn't even that light, wrench science puts the weight at 2.3lbs (plus you need to add a fork).
I wish people would get a bit better grasp on this concept, a pound removed from the wheels is different than a pound off the frame, a pound off the frame is different than a pound off the rider.
Nobody is going to argue which is better in the long run, being at a "healthier" weight or having an ultra-light bike, but there are reasons why people want these bikes, and a lot of times it isn't just snob appeal.
G'day,
it's easy to mix & match parts from different manufacturers & get a bike that comes under 6.8kg,.....my LBS did it with a 6-13, as an exercise in how low can they go.....this isn't the point. The problem that has made minimum weight requirements a 'mute' point is that there doesn't appear to be,(& i know that you guys will correct me if I'm wrong!), a minimum weight requirement for each component. This leads to the farcical situation of Cannondale making delivering saeco 'bikes' that are well below 6.8kg, & simply adding 'sinkers' to the frame to reach the legal limit.....If this doesn't make a farce of the rule i don't know what does!. The UCI have started 'approving' components for use in racing, but whether that means, in future, that any combination of this 'approved' components is legal, (regardless of the weight), remains to be seen. But that might be to 'clever' a solution for the UCI to cope with. You mentioned, non UCI sanctioned races?.....why would you bother, the UCI is far from perfect, but they are at least consistant & provide a framework for racing as a level playing field. Any road racing outside the UCI umbrella is likely to be 'anything goes'.....didn't they make a movie about that....Rollerball?
Hitchy
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2.3# is light for a frame. My Orca is 2.2# and it's on the lighter side of the spectrum. There are a few frames out there that are lighter.
Hitchy please note that that weight includes the seat post as it is intergrated. Adding about 4 ounces to the weight of the frame. That would give you frame weight of only 1.15# that's light!
Hitchy please note that that weight includes the seat post as it is intergrated. Adding about 4 ounces to the weight of the frame. That would give you frame weight of only 1.15# that's light!
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