Scwhinn Paramount
08-10-11, 08:18 AM
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08-10-11, 11:21 AM
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Richard is doing a full correct restoration on my 23" ~1940 frameset (A853) right now. Next time I talk to him I'll ask him about it.
08-11-11, 01:58 PM
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I e-mailed Richard Schwinn and asked him if he had a spare minute or two to look at the pictures of the frameset in the OP and share any thoughts he might have about its authenticity. He replied, and had no objection to my posting his reply in this thread, so here is my e-mail to him and his response.
Originally Posted by Stan Cooper
Hi Richard,
I hope you have a moment to look at some photos posted on Bike Forums in THIS THREAD. The frame has Nervex Serie Legere lugs, French size tubing (26.0mm top tube), Simplex dropouts, and serial number 689 stamped into the right (drive side) dropout. That serial number would mean it was made during 1957 if it is a Paramount. It has a Paramount head badge.
Because of the Serie Legere lugs, the Simplex dropouts, the French tubing, and the serial number location on the "wrong" dropout, I was skeptical it's a Paramount, but Bob Hufford (whose opinion I really respect) posted a photo from the Waterford website of a fifties Paramount with the Serie Legere lugs. Now I'm wondering if I was wrong about the bike. It has a double chainring crank and and a claw-mounted rear derailleur.
If you get the chance, could you take a look at the photos and let me know what you think?
Thanks.
Best,
Stan
I hope you have a moment to look at some photos posted on Bike Forums in THIS THREAD. The frame has Nervex Serie Legere lugs, French size tubing (26.0mm top tube), Simplex dropouts, and serial number 689 stamped into the right (drive side) dropout. That serial number would mean it was made during 1957 if it is a Paramount. It has a Paramount head badge.
Because of the Serie Legere lugs, the Simplex dropouts, the French tubing, and the serial number location on the "wrong" dropout, I was skeptical it's a Paramount, but Bob Hufford (whose opinion I really respect) posted a photo from the Waterford website of a fifties Paramount with the Serie Legere lugs. Now I'm wondering if I was wrong about the bike. It has a double chainring crank and and a claw-mounted rear derailleur.
If you get the chance, could you take a look at the photos and let me know what you think?
Thanks.
Best,
Stan
Originally Posted by Richard Schwinn
Hi Stan,
Interesting bike.
Schwinn did occasionally use the Series Legere lugset (I have one of my Grandfather Frank's bikes with a set - bike bike on the site). I'm sure this bike had been stripped, chromed and repainted. '57-59 seems like a plausible time frame. Our records don't start until '59. The location of the serial number is a bit strange, but this was probably a big transition period, and hence lots of experiments. One may well have been the serial number location for the then recently available Campy dropouts. Since it was refinished, I wouldn't rely on any of the component choices as "original".
Thanks,
Richard
Interesting bike.
Schwinn did occasionally use the Series Legere lugset (I have one of my Grandfather Frank's bikes with a set - bike bike on the site). I'm sure this bike had been stripped, chromed and repainted. '57-59 seems like a plausible time frame. Our records don't start until '59. The location of the serial number is a bit strange, but this was probably a big transition period, and hence lots of experiments. One may well have been the serial number location for the then recently available Campy dropouts. Since it was refinished, I wouldn't rely on any of the component choices as "original".
Thanks,
Richard
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08-11-11, 02:20 PM
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Interesting that he didn't comment on the French dimension tubes.
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08-11-11, 03:53 PM
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The serial number does fit the Paramount production apparent timeframe during which the frame was built, so who knows??
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08-11-11, 07:38 PM
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Thanks Everyone for all your knowledge and helping try and figure this Frame out. any Idea what a frame like this is worth. Thanks,Nate
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