View Poll Results: Stage 15 Poll: Should Contador have waited for Schleck?
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Stage 15 Poll
07-19-10, 08:34 PM
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Everyone should have immediately stopped and mobbed poor Andy to help put his chain back on. They also should have pushed him up the mountain and ridden much slower down the mountain so that poor Andy could keep yellow. I mean, his brother crashed out and everything. He really deserves the yellow because of that.
07-19-10, 08:44 PM
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I hear you zorro,it's working for me,my name is on AC's bike ( in it to win it ! ) so i'm good,i'm in yellow sort of.
07-19-10, 08:50 PM
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What about Chavanel, who was in yellow? He had to change bicycles twice. He was trailing a bit when the first happened, but wasn't completely without hope of making it back to the leaders. No special consideration seems to have been given to him.
Frankly, the only time I can think of when an attack was broken off was Ullrich waiting for Armstrong after he went down on the climb. I think it is universally considered poor form to attack while feeding, or taking a natural break, but generally, the peloton is still all together when those events take place. Incidents like today's are very rare -- at least when they involve the maillot jaune.
Frankly, the only time I can think of when an attack was broken off was Ullrich waiting for Armstrong after he went down on the climb. I think it is universally considered poor form to attack while feeding, or taking a natural break, but generally, the peloton is still all together when those events take place. Incidents like today's are very rare -- at least when they involve the maillot jaune.
1. no cares about the french! 2.no one wants the spaniard who beat lance's ass to win!
07-19-10, 08:57 PM
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07-19-10, 08:59 PM
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Apparently being out of the peleton means you don't have to wait, even though Chavanel could have kept the yellow that day... or something. The logical leaps being made to stay pissed at Contador for racing in a race are crazy and getting crazier.
07-19-10, 08:59 PM
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Everyone should have immediately stopped and mobbed poor Andy to help put his chain back on. They also should have pushed him up the mountain and ridden much slower down the mountain so that poor Andy could keep yellow. I mean, his brother crashed out and everything. He really deserves the yellow because of that.
07-19-10, 09:08 PM
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Seems like all of the LA fanboys shifted their allegiance to Schleck just because they want someone to beat Contador.
07-19-10, 09:38 PM
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The thing that makes the difference for me - AS was attacking when he had the problem. If he had just been sitting in the group along with AC and the others and had his chain slip then, I could see everyone slowing up and waiting for him. But once he chose to attack - game on.
07-19-10, 10:36 PM
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The thing that makes the difference for me - AS was attacking when he had the problem. If he had just been sitting in the group along with AC and the others and had his chain slip then, I could see everyone slowing up and waiting for him. But once he chose to attack - game on.
07-19-10, 10:41 PM
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07-19-10, 11:00 PM
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El Pistolero was pulling away when AS wanked his chain. Sure he looked back, but that what the man in front DOES.
Stopping was on nobody's mind, that close to the line. They can be gentlemen next month.
Stopping was on nobody's mind, that close to the line. They can be gentlemen next month.
07-19-10, 11:06 PM
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The thing that makes the difference for me - AS was attacking when he had the problem. If he had just been sitting in the group along with AC and the others and had his chain slip then, I could see everyone slowing up and waiting for him. But once he chose to attack - game on.
07-19-10, 11:18 PM
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AC had an opportunity to create a legendary TdF moment, but traded it for the yellow jersey. I doubt he was thinking about tradition or legends at the time, regardless of what he saw happen.
If he wins by more than 39 seconds, he'll wish he had the legendary moment.
If he wins by more than 39 seconds, he'll wish he had the legendary moment.
07-20-10, 01:13 AM
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The thing that makes the difference for me - AS was attacking when he had the problem. If he had just been sitting in the group along with AC and the others and had his chain slip then, I could see everyone slowing up and waiting for him. But once he chose to attack - game on.
I think that the main reason AC is getting all the heat instead of Sanchez or Menchov, who went with him, is because he ended up with the yellow jersey at the end of the day.
The next couple of stages will be interesting...
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07-20-10, 02:19 AM
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If winning were the only goal, no one in their right mind would have waited. But he's already a TDF champion. He wants to be remembered as a great champion, and in that regard, this was a set back for the legacy he'd prefer to leave. He sees that now. No, what he did was not "wrong"; it's that he didn't do what would have been widely admired as "right."
He's young. I'm sure he's learned a lot today.
He's young. I'm sure he's learned a lot today.
It clearly wasn't as egregious a breach of etiquette as I first though yesterday. Many current and ex-pros whose comments I've read seem to be like "**** happens, AC did what he had to do"; it seems to be pretty much 50/50.
Although that is not to say that Contador wouldn't have been universally praised for his sportsmanship and courage if he had waited.
07-20-10, 02:33 AM
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so what would schleck's legacy be if contador had slowed/waited so as to finish
with the same time? contador would have gifted schleck at least a minute between
this stage and the earlier goings-on of stages 2 & 3. let's say schleck eventually wins
within that "gifted" time margin. how would history judge both? contador an idiot?
schleck an undeserving opportunist?
contador is the champ of gt's several times over. schleck is the #1 contender. if schleck has
to pull the "fairness" card out to try and win, he's already lost.
with the same time? contador would have gifted schleck at least a minute between
this stage and the earlier goings-on of stages 2 & 3. let's say schleck eventually wins
within that "gifted" time margin. how would history judge both? contador an idiot?
schleck an undeserving opportunist?
contador is the champ of gt's several times over. schleck is the #1 contender. if schleck has
to pull the "fairness" card out to try and win, he's already lost.
07-20-10, 02:42 AM
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I guess that's true too. It certainly would be a more impressive victory now if Schleck wins this Tour than if he wins after AC waits for him.
07-20-10, 05:50 AM
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I agree with this. Waiting for Schleck would have done more to cement his legacy as a great champion than winning another Tour. Not that the two things are exclusive of each other.
It clearly wasn't as egregious a breach of etiquette as I first though yesterday. Many current and ex-pros whose comments I've read seem to be like "**** happens, AC did what he had to do"; it seems to be pretty much 50/50.
Although that is not to say that Contador wouldn't have been universally praised for his sportsmanship and courage if he had waited.
It clearly wasn't as egregious a breach of etiquette as I first though yesterday. Many current and ex-pros whose comments I've read seem to be like "**** happens, AC did what he had to do"; it seems to be pretty much 50/50.
Although that is not to say that Contador wouldn't have been universally praised for his sportsmanship and courage if he had waited.
The fact is, Contador is one of the best grand tour riders in the world right now. He has proven himself for the last 4 years. He is now wearing the yellow because a youthful rider made a mistake. That's bike racing.
07-20-10, 06:03 AM
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All the Scleck fans (mostly LA fanboys and Contador haters) were wildly cheering when he didn't wait for anyone behind the crashes in the cobbles and gained time back on his pathetic time trial performance.
It is unfortunate but it will likely all die down after the next time trial.
It is unfortunate but it will likely all die down after the next time trial.
07-20-10, 08:31 AM
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Contador didn't have to stop and wait.
But he didn't have to pick that moment to attack for the first time all day, either.
But he didn't have to pick that moment to attack for the first time all day, either.
07-20-10, 05:42 PM
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The results are in!
More than 24 hours after the "Chain Reaction" controversy, 63.75% of BFers believe that Contador should have waited for Schleck.
It's great to see that the majority of us believe in class over crass.
More than 24 hours after the "Chain Reaction" controversy, 63.75% of BFers believe that Contador should have waited for Schleck.
It's great to see that the majority of us believe in class over crass.
07-20-10, 05:46 PM
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It was pretty good time to attack. He was responding to Schleck's attack. Andy, most likely caused his misfortune during his attack. Now everyone supposed to wait for Andy, again. Seriously. The yellow jersey carries some weight and respect. But that doesn't mean guys can't race. So if Andy attacked got up the road and crashed through his own fault, everyone has to stop and wait for him. If AC attacked Andy and he lost a chain trying to respond, that's a different story. This was a racing incident caused by Andy. No need to wait for him.