Lemond or Ritchey road bike?
09-25-23, 06:22 PM
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Lemond or Ritchey road bike?
Hello, my name is Abraham, new to road bikes and I can't tell what bike would be good for me.
2003 lemond tourmalet Reynolds 853, 55cm or
Ritchey 58cm
I am 5'10.
2003 lemond tourmalet Reynolds 853, 55cm or
Ritchey 58cm
I am 5'10.
09-25-23, 06:38 PM
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I am 5'10" or 11 and ride a '01 Lemond Zurich 57cm. I am proportionally long legged an could make a 55cm work also. (Best riding bike and a keeper; soon to downsize)
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09-25-23, 07:13 PM
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58cm ritchey is awefully big for 5'10". I had a 54 cm ritchey and I am 5'9"
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The fact that Lemond liked longer top tube did not translate onto his production bikes. This is another C&V urban myth which keeps getting repeated without any factual basis. Top tube of the Lemond is 565 as would be the Ritchey in the same size. So a larger Ritchey would have a longer top tube.
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The fact that Lemond liked longer top tube did not translate onto his production bikes. This is another C&V urban myth which keeps getting repeated without any factual basis. Top tube of the Lemond is 565 as would be the Ritchey in the same size. So a larger Ritchey would have a longer top tube.
09-26-23, 06:46 AM
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The fact that Lemond liked longer top tube did not translate onto his production bikes. This is another C&V urban myth which keeps getting repeated without any factual basis. Top tube of the Lemond is 565 as would be the Ritchey in the same size. So a larger Ritchey would have a longer top tube.
In the absence of other options and information, the Lemond would likely fit better.
09-26-23, 07:40 AM
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The image here is for 2001 Lemond steel frames and is fairly representative of the "long top tube thing". The "long top tube" really depends on frame size. The upper-level models varied through the years with being made of aluminum, carbon-steel or AL composites or all carbon..so the top tube length may vary with material.
As for the OP..the 55cm Lemond would be a better fit. I'm just under 5'11" and ride 4 different 55cm Lemonds(Maillot Jaune, 2 Poprads, and a titanium Victorie).
As for the OP..the 55cm Lemond would be a better fit. I'm just under 5'11" and ride 4 different 55cm Lemonds(Maillot Jaune, 2 Poprads, and a titanium Victorie).
09-26-23, 08:10 AM
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The image here is for 2001 Lemond steel frames and is fairly representative of the "long top tube thing". The "long top tube" really depends on frame size. The upper-level models varied through the years with being made of aluminum, carbon-steel or AL composites or all carbon..so the top tube length may vary with material.
As for the OP..the 55cm Lemond would be a better fit. I'm just under 5'11" and ride 4 different 55cm Lemonds(Maillot Jaune, 2 Poprads, and a titanium Victorie).
As for the OP..the 55cm Lemond would be a better fit. I'm just under 5'11" and ride 4 different 55cm Lemonds(Maillot Jaune, 2 Poprads, and a titanium Victorie).
I might be mistaken, but a 73.5 degree headtube seems rather steep, as well - though I never learned how to read trail figures, so maybe that's made up for there.
At first glance, long top tube, (assumed) low stack, and fast-ish steering - not my first choice for a light day in the saddle, but maybe better for working out some of the day's aggression?
09-26-23, 08:58 AM
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A 133mm headtube on a 55cm frame is really short - my Bianchi (from 2004) closes in on 160mm, the Lynskey is even a smidge taller than that, though that's made up for by the hidden headset.
I might be mistaken, but a 73.5 degree headtube seems rather steep, as well - though I never learned how to read trail figures, so maybe that's made up for there.
At first glance, long top tube, (assumed) low stack, and fast-ish steering - not my first choice for a light day in the saddle, but maybe better for working out some of the day's aggression?
I might be mistaken, but a 73.5 degree headtube seems rather steep, as well - though I never learned how to read trail figures, so maybe that's made up for there.
At first glance, long top tube, (assumed) low stack, and fast-ish steering - not my first choice for a light day in the saddle, but maybe better for working out some of the day's aggression?
Most of my miles are on the Poprads as they allow me to ride 38mm tires and that's addicting once you have that option. Very similar ride to the other two overall. The Poprad has a 72.5* head tube. I find it very comfortable all day long. Very nice handing and riding bike.
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09-26-23, 09:02 AM
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I'm also 5-9 and ride a 54cm Ritchey Road Logic.
09-26-23, 09:14 AM
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If my wife wouldn't notice the extra bikes parked in the garage, I would love to add a few Lemonds to my collection, just to try them out. Contrast the long and low steel frames against my endurance-geometried Bianchi, or the ti-carbon blends against my full titanium Lynskey.
I'd add a Ritchey as well, though I might lean towards a Breakaway just because it's an option.
So I guess... I'd say yes to both the Lemond and the Ritchey, as long as I could get them to fit. Unfortunately, it'd be hard to fit on a 58cm with an inseam that's barely long enough for 30" pants...
I'd add a Ritchey as well, though I might lean towards a Breakaway just because it's an option.
So I guess... I'd say yes to both the Lemond and the Ritchey, as long as I could get them to fit. Unfortunately, it'd be hard to fit on a 58cm with an inseam that's barely long enough for 30" pants...
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5-11 and I have a 2001 ritchey breakaway and it is my best fitting bike. 35 inch inseam short torso long arms.
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If they were the same size, I'd go for the Ritchey, every time.
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Ritchey Road Logic frames in that size also have 73.5 degree HTAs, as well as 73.5 degree STAs, whereas the LeMond has a slacker STA by 0.5 degrees. The 58 cm Ritchey has a 57.5 cm TT.
This chart is snipped from a 1997 catalog, but I'm confident the geometry stayed the same for a long time. I think the current Road Logic, even with downsloping TT, still uses 73.5/73.5.
This chart is snipped from a 1997 catalog, but I'm confident the geometry stayed the same for a long time. I think the current Road Logic, even with downsloping TT, still uses 73.5/73.5.
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The fact that Lemond liked longer top tube did not translate onto his production bikes. This is another C&V urban myth which keeps getting repeated without any factual basis. Top tube of the Lemond is 565 as would be the Ritchey in the same size. So a larger Ritchey would have a longer top tube.
Also, I believe Lemond did not measure the frame size to the center of the top tube, but to the top pf the top tube. I could be wrong. I'm 5'10" and this is a 57cm. 30 1/8 inches crank center to seat top
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Sizing chart from Ritchey https://ritcheylogic.com/bike/frames...logic-frameset.
FWIW I'm 5'10" and I've ridden both a 53cm and a 55cm Road Logic. I'm more comfortable on the 53 cm with a 120mm stem vs the 55 with a 90 or 100 mm stem. I think Ritchey's disclaimer is accurate: *General size guide. For specific fit requirements consult a professional bike fitter.
FWIW I'm 5'10" and I've ridden both a 53cm and a 55cm Road Logic. I'm more comfortable on the 53 cm with a 120mm stem vs the 55 with a 90 or 100 mm stem. I think Ritchey's disclaimer is accurate: *General size guide. For specific fit requirements consult a professional bike fitter.
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A 133mm headtube on a 55cm frame is really short - my Bianchi (from 2004) closes in on 160mm, the Lynskey is even a smidge taller than that, though that's made up for by the hidden headset.
I might be mistaken, but a 73.5 degree headtube seems rather steep, as well - though I never learned how to read trail figures, so maybe that's made up for there.
At first glance, long top tube, (assumed) low stack, and fast-ish steering - not my first choice for a light day in the saddle, but maybe better for working out some of the day's aggression?
I might be mistaken, but a 73.5 degree headtube seems rather steep, as well - though I never learned how to read trail figures, so maybe that's made up for there.
At first glance, long top tube, (assumed) low stack, and fast-ish steering - not my first choice for a light day in the saddle, but maybe better for working out some of the day's aggression?
I'm 5'11 and ride a 58 cm Emonda which is fairly similar to a 55cm Zurich (I have one being delivered to my house soon) - the stack height is the biggest difference. The Emonda is only 8mm longer in the top tube, but 42mm taller stack height. I will have a bigger seat/bar height offset with the Zurich. And I need to work all winter to get flexible enough to take it.
Compare: LeMond Zurich 2001: 55 -VS- Trek Emonda ALR Disc 2020: 58 cm -VS- (geometrygeeks.bike)
The Lemond will be my aggressive ride - want to smash speed bike. The Emonda will be my comfort/touring bike.
My position on the Emonda is pure comfort - but I'm about as aero as a brick, even in the drops or with my arms bent down on the tops.
09-28-23, 08:33 AM
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Never had a Ritchey but the two (Trek) LeMonds I've had were both great. A Buenos Aires and a Zurich. The size stickers measured out at c-c and the top tubes were not long. I sorta wish sometimes that I'd kept the Buenos Aires.
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Start with inseam not height. My inseam is 32.5" and I ride a 55 w/55 TT. I started out around 5'10 but am now 5' 8 1/2" thanks to age and cervical spine operation. Inseam hasn't changed.
