First real Classic, need help!
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First real Classic, need help!
Hi folks, I'm new here!!
So I just bought a really nice 1972(??) classic steel road bike from a guy who inherited it from is uncle and tought it was made of Aluminium!
The bike is about 22,xx pound so I can understand him haha
The components are the following
Frame : ??? Reynolds 531 or Colombus SL...
Front Hub : Campagnolo - Round holes
Rear Hub : Campagnolo Record
RD : Campagnolo Nuovo Record Patent 72
FD : Shimano 600
Rear Dropouts : Campagnolo
Front Dropouts : Campagnolo
Crankset : Campagnolo Nuovo Record
Pedals : Campagnolo
Seat Post : Campagnolo
Saddle : Cinelli Unicanitor
Brakes : Universal Super 68
Stem and Handlebar : 3TTT record 95mm
I am very curious about the frame tho, it has been repainted and doesn't have any detail/carving that can help me identify the brand/Model. I did a little research and it doesn't seem to be any sort of Raleigh or classic italian bike (colnago bianchi, bottechia, cinelli etc..) The most logical choice in Québec would be a Marinoni but there is no ¨Fleur de Lys¨ anywhere. There is a carving under the BB case that says T 0311
Edit : There is also M.G and O.O carved with small dots under the BB, could it be an ealry Marinoni?
Anyway I need your help to identify this frame, see pictures below!
So I just bought a really nice 1972(??) classic steel road bike from a guy who inherited it from is uncle and tought it was made of Aluminium!
The bike is about 22,xx pound so I can understand him hahaThe components are the following
Frame : ??? Reynolds 531 or Colombus SL...
Front Hub : Campagnolo - Round holes
Rear Hub : Campagnolo Record
RD : Campagnolo Nuovo Record Patent 72
FD : Shimano 600
Rear Dropouts : Campagnolo
Front Dropouts : Campagnolo
Crankset : Campagnolo Nuovo Record
Pedals : Campagnolo
Seat Post : Campagnolo
Saddle : Cinelli Unicanitor
Brakes : Universal Super 68
Stem and Handlebar : 3TTT record 95mm
I am very curious about the frame tho, it has been repainted and doesn't have any detail/carving that can help me identify the brand/Model. I did a little research and it doesn't seem to be any sort of Raleigh or classic italian bike (colnago bianchi, bottechia, cinelli etc..) The most logical choice in Québec would be a Marinoni but there is no ¨Fleur de Lys¨ anywhere. There is a carving under the BB case that says T 0311
Edit : There is also M.G and O.O carved with small dots under the BB, could it be an ealry Marinoni?
Anyway I need your help to identify this frame, see pictures below!
Last edited by Tha Bastard; 07-28-17 at 05:07 PM. Reason: Pictures didn't work
07-28-17, 04:28 PM
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Hmmm...another soon-to-be-surprised Photobucket user 
Your photos don't show because PB is requiring that you upgrade to a paid membership in order to use third-party hosting of photos. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, especially as the component list suggests a pretty cool bike I'd like to get a gander at.
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Your photos don't show because PB is requiring that you upgrade to a paid membership in order to use third-party hosting of photos. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, especially as the component list suggests a pretty cool bike I'd like to get a gander at.
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Try using imgur instead of photobucket.
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Oh oh, the pictures are there in the preview so I expected it to work, I'll try Imgur!
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Pictures should work now!
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Looks like the first bike I bought to start riding around 1985... Univega.
07-28-17, 05:17 PM
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The '72 date on your RD doesn't mean the bike is from 1972, any more than the Shimano 600 FD means its from whatever date is on that component. Most of the bikes I've seen from the 1970s have the cable routing above the bottom bracket. Not sure if there were makers who routed below BB before around 1980 or so, but it seems uncommon at best.
What size is the seat post? Have you shined a light up into the steerer tube to see if you have the SL rifling?
What size is the seat post? Have you shined a light up into the steerer tube to see if you have the SL rifling?
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Looks like a small builder, perhaps British. Prugnat 62D lugset. Rounded ends at the fork/stay transitions. Short, stubby flat-topped seatstay caps. Long Campy 1010a dropouts suggest early to mid-70s production. Basic straight-cut BB shell with chain rollers used as cable guides - those right there say low-volume builder to me.
Can anybody ID the fork crown? Haven't see that one before.
What's the BB width and threading?
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Can anybody ID the fork crown? Haven't see that one before.
What's the BB width and threading?
DD
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Unscrew the headset and pull the fork. If it's a Columbus fork there will be a Columbus stamp on the steerer. The chrome fork crown seems to be your most distinguishing feature, but I don't know what it is. It's even possible that the fork isn't original. The frame seems to be of pretty good quality, very possibly either Columbus or Reynolds. That may be all you ever know about it.
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I just had a thought: perhaps the under-BB routing eyes, rear stop, gear lever bosses and top tube cable guides were added later. I'm thinking this could be a repaint.
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Many things about that frame look Italian, or by an Italian émigrée. What is the bottom bracket thread? Determining tubing type can be difficult, but sometimes there are clues. The rifling at the base of the steer tube, mentioned above, is one, and would indicate Columbus tubing:
Sometimes dove stamps can be seen on the tubes, particularly the steer tube. This would also indicate Columbus tubing:
Similarly, Reynolds stamped REYNOLDS 531 on many of their tubes:
But sometimes you just can't tell. And sometimes, builders used a mix of tubing types. So, if you like the bike (and I see little not to like about this bike), enjoy it and don't fret too much about the tubing.
Sometimes dove stamps can be seen on the tubes, particularly the steer tube. This would also indicate Columbus tubing:
Similarly, Reynolds stamped REYNOLDS 531 on many of their tubes:
But sometimes you just can't tell. And sometimes, builders used a mix of tubing types. So, if you like the bike (and I see little not to like about this bike), enjoy it and don't fret too much about the tubing.
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The '72 date on your RD doesn't mean the bike is from 1972, any more than the Shimano 600 FD means its from whatever date is on that component. Most of the bikes I've seen from the 1970s have the cable routing above the bottom bracket. Not sure if there were makers who routed below BB before around 1980 or so, but it seems uncommon at best.
What size is the seat post? Have you shined a light up into the steerer tube to see if you have the SL rifling?
What size is the seat post? Have you shined a light up into the steerer tube to see if you have the SL rifling?
Seat Post is 27, and no I didn't remove the stem yet because I don't have the right tools and don't want to strip anything, but I will do it soon!
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Slap some stickers on that Aluminium thing and call it a day! 
Seriously tho, can't add to @Drillium Dude, but the headtube lugs are nicely filed thin. The 'stubby seatstay caps' were shorter and sometimes lighter than longer, more elegant ones. And the seatstays are nicely tapered. 1010 rear drop-outs were still being used in the early 80s, at least in UK (but mostly on Club or sport style, not race frames). And yes, paint covers a lot of possible clues or additions.
Seriously tho, can't add to @Drillium Dude, but the headtube lugs are nicely filed thin. The 'stubby seatstay caps' were shorter and sometimes lighter than longer, more elegant ones. And the seatstays are nicely tapered. 1010 rear drop-outs were still being used in the early 80s, at least in UK (but mostly on Club or sport style, not race frames). And yes, paint covers a lot of possible clues or additions.
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It looks similar to an Alan Shorter I used to have, sorry no pics. He used 531 with Campy drops, nice long point lugs, stealth but good stuff. Low rake fork and very similar seat cluster. Kinda vague but it's something.
OP, where did you buy this?
OP, where did you buy this?
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I bought this in Québec City, the dude's uncle (The previous owner) was Québécois for sure but I don't know where he lived or where he got the bike..
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Marinoni commonly used heart cut outs on the lugs. Always? Maybe not.
Contact Marinoni with the serial number and pics, they'll let you know but I don't think so. There's another Quebec small maker whose name escapes me? Gianella had frames rebranded from them.
Contact Marinoni with the serial number and pics, they'll let you know but I don't think so. There's another Quebec small maker whose name escapes me? Gianella had frames rebranded from them.
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Looks like a small builder, perhaps British. Prugnat 62D lugset. Rounded ends at the fork/stay transitions. Short, stubby flat-topped seatstay caps. Long Campy 1010a dropouts suggest early to mid-70s production. Basic straight-cut BB shell with chain rollers used as cable guides - those right there say low-volume builder to me.
Can anybody ID the fork crown? Haven't see that one before.
What's the BB width and threading?
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Can anybody ID the fork crown? Haven't see that one before.
What's the BB width and threading?
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Looks like a small builder, perhaps British. Prugnat 62D lugset. Rounded ends at the fork/stay transitions. Short, stubby flat-topped seatstay caps. Long Campy 1010a dropouts suggest early to mid-70s production. Basic straight-cut BB shell with chain rollers used as cable guides - those right there say low-volume builder to me.
Can anybody ID the fork crown? Haven't see that one before.
What's the BB width and threading?
DD
Can anybody ID the fork crown? Haven't see that one before.
What's the BB width and threading?
DD
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