Highway 1 is closed along a big chunk of Big Sur, CA. What now?
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02-23-21, 06:15 PM
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Also, California's GDP is about $3Tn (depending on source). So a debt of $362B, while it isn't nothing, is serviceable under current economic conditions. If/when the pandemic ends and tourists start to come back, and the service economy reopens etc etc, that will be a reasonable time to start paying down the debt.
02-24-21, 08:31 AM
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I got curious about the business sense of repairing and keeping this stretch of the PCH open.
If I read the 2015 data correctly, AADT over the year was about 2400 vehicles. Allowing for some local traffic, let's say 2000 cars a day over the course of a year. Now assume that every car stays in the area one extra day to drive the PCH (this may be a lowball guess). Just the hotel tax would generate about $7 million per year.
The skeptic might say, "See? It didn't pay to repair the last landslide!" But that would neglect the other economic effects like food for those tourists, other tourist outlets in the area (Hearst Castle and the Monterrey Acquarium, to name a couple), gas and sales tax revenue, jobs for California hospitality workers. Not to mention the additional traffic that comes from attracting tourists to, say, the Santa Barbara county wine country instead of those tourists deciding to visit Oregon wine country and Mt. St. Helens.
Looks to me like repairing the PCH is a reasonable business investment. Kind of like insurance, or running a casino -- sometimes you make a big payout, but the business in general is profitable if you attract people and keep them happy.
If I read the 2015 data correctly, AADT over the year was about 2400 vehicles. Allowing for some local traffic, let's say 2000 cars a day over the course of a year. Now assume that every car stays in the area one extra day to drive the PCH (this may be a lowball guess). Just the hotel tax would generate about $7 million per year.
The skeptic might say, "See? It didn't pay to repair the last landslide!" But that would neglect the other economic effects like food for those tourists, other tourist outlets in the area (Hearst Castle and the Monterrey Acquarium, to name a couple), gas and sales tax revenue, jobs for California hospitality workers. Not to mention the additional traffic that comes from attracting tourists to, say, the Santa Barbara county wine country instead of those tourists deciding to visit Oregon wine country and Mt. St. Helens.
Looks to me like repairing the PCH is a reasonable business investment. Kind of like insurance, or running a casino -- sometimes you make a big payout, but the business in general is profitable if you attract people and keep them happy.
02-25-21, 08:36 PM
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I cannot post a link because I am a new member. Sheesh.
check out KSBW.com they are running a story about CalTrans beginning the repair very soon.
check out KSBW.com they are running a story about CalTrans beginning the repair very soon.
02-26-21, 01:30 AM
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https://www.ksbw.com/article/emergen...g-sur/35634256
Approximately five miles of Highway 1 will be closed to all vehicle, pedestrian and bicycle traffic during repairs. The northern turnaround is two miles north of Rat Creek at the Lime Creek Bridge at PM 32.1, and the southern closure is at Big Creek Vista Point at PM 27.3.
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02-26-21, 04:31 AM
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02-28-21, 10:48 PM
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Matt, locals, for a short time, put in a trail around it but CalTrans put a stop to that quickly. Here's an excerpt from a recent article in the paper.The trail was in use for a short time, and those who crossed could be picked up by friends or family members on the opposite side. But it recently became a sensitive subject because of concerns about safety and efficiency. Caltrans came and blew the whistle and since then they’ve cracked down more.
If you try this, you put yourself at risk, interfere with Caltrans trying their best to get this repaired - and give a bad name to cyclists who try to get around the rules.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...ed/ar-BB1e3nhI
Matt, locals, for a short time, put in a trail around it but CalTrans put a stop to that quickly. Here's an excerpt from a recent article in the paper.The trail was in use for a short time, and those who crossed could be picked up by friends or family members on the opposite side. But it recently became a sensitive subject because of concerns about safety and efficiency. Caltrans came and blew the whistle and since then they’ve cracked down more.
If you try this, you put yourself at risk, interfere with Caltrans trying their best to get this repaired - and give a bad name to cyclists who try to get around the rules.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...ed/ar-BB1e3nhI
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03-01-21, 09:53 AM
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Latest post on crazyguyonabike website:
Matt, locals, for a short time, put in a trail around it but CalTrans put a stop to that quickly. Here's an excerpt from a recent article in the paper.The trail was in use for a short time, and those who crossed could be picked up by friends or family members on the opposite side. But it recently became a sensitive subject because of concerns about safety and efficiency. Caltrans came and blew the whistle and since then they’ve cracked down more.
If you try this, you put yourself at risk, interfere with Caltrans trying their best to get this repaired - and give a bad name to cyclists who try to get around the rules.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...ed/ar-BB1e3nhI
Matt, locals, for a short time, put in a trail around it but CalTrans put a stop to that quickly. Here's an excerpt from a recent article in the paper.The trail was in use for a short time, and those who crossed could be picked up by friends or family members on the opposite side. But it recently became a sensitive subject because of concerns about safety and efficiency. Caltrans came and blew the whistle and since then they’ve cracked down more.
If you try this, you put yourself at risk, interfere with Caltrans trying their best to get this repaired - and give a bad name to cyclists who try to get around the rules.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...ed/ar-BB1e3nhI
03-25-21, 05:36 PM
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If you are thinking of hike-a-bike around this, don't do it. They just found someone's body (probably a casual hiker):
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/ar...1-16053528.php
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/ar...1-16053528.php
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OP, what did you end up doing? I was thinking of taking Amtrak from Salinas down to SLO and biking back down to HWY 1 but curious to see if you did something different
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This article says the road will be open at the end of April:
https://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/20...after-washout/
Enjoy
https://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/20...after-washout/
Enjoy
04-23-21, 12:58 PM
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The B'crats were actually allowing R'bent riders to use the trail, and paying them $1000 each, in recognition of their inherently superior mode of transportation, as well as their inherently superior ability to signal their virtue. There are many posts and photos about this on F'book, so it has to be true.
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04-25-21, 08:03 PM
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This.
Also, California's GDP is about $3Tn (depending on source). So a debt of $362B, while it isn't nothing, is serviceable under current economic conditions. If/when the pandemic ends and tourists start to come back, and the service economy reopens etc etc, that will be a reasonable time to start paying down the debt.
Also, California's GDP is about $3Tn (depending on source). So a debt of $362B, while it isn't nothing, is serviceable under current economic conditions. If/when the pandemic ends and tourists start to come back, and the service economy reopens etc etc, that will be a reasonable time to start paying down the debt.
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The B'crats were actually allowing R'bent riders to use the trail, and paying them $1000 each, in recognition of their inherently superior mode of transportation, as well as their inherently superior ability to signal their virtue. There are many posts and photos about this on F'book, so it has to be true.
05-27-21, 10:14 PM
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I'm happy to hear it's open. That's one of the most memorable sections there is, to me. It makes me wonder if I can still manage a 10 day, to get to S.F. from S.D. Cheers!🎉💥
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The B'crats were actually allowing R'bent riders to use the trail, and paying them $1000 each, in recognition of their inherently superior mode of transportation, as well as their inherently superior ability to signal their virtue. There are many posts and photos about this on F'book, so it has to be true.
