View Poll Results: Updated drivetrains
Yes, I'm using an oldschool 130bcd crank or larger with small cogs
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I've updated to acompact cranks or a triple with a large cog cluster
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I'm using a mix of components to get the range I want
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Yes to all 3 options.
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I live in Metro Vancouver in British Columbia so if I'm doing any long climbs I prefer to spin at a higher cadence, rather than grind. But if I'm out for an easy backroad ride in South Surrey or the Fraser Valley, I'm fine with a regular 130bcd crankset with a 39 tooth chainring but will use a cassette with the largest possible cogs.
I'm planning to make my Trek 5000 a designated climbing machine. I've already purchased a superlight tubular carbon wheelset and am looking to buy a used lightweight compact crankset (to replace the 130bcd Bontrager), brakes and drivetrain. I'll also order some carbon bars, stem and saddle from China. Stock, Trek weighs about 8.3kg (18.4lbs) but I'm pretty confident I can get it down to around 7.25kg (16lbs).
I'm planning to make my Trek 5000 a designated climbing machine. I've already purchased a superlight tubular carbon wheelset and am looking to buy a used lightweight compact crankset (to replace the 130bcd Bontrager), brakes and drivetrain. I'll also order some carbon bars, stem and saddle from China. Stock, Trek weighs about 8.3kg (18.4lbs) but I'm pretty confident I can get it down to around 7.25kg (16lbs).
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Yes, sir. I do have to coax my bottom bracket a mm or two more outboard so that my FD can shift onto the 34 ring without scraping the tire.
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I'm all over the range, from largest chainring installed to the smallest outer chainring;
1972 Paramount (correct & original) 53 & 49 with a 14-24 five speed freewheel
1986ish De Rosa Professional (updated) 53 & 39 with a 13-26 nine speed cassette
1992 Pinarello Gavia (updated) 53 & 39 with a 13-29 ten speed cassette
2018 Ridley Helium SLX 50 & 34 with an 11-32 eleven speed cassette
1987 Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra (updated) 50 & 34 with a 11-28 eleven speed cassette
2009 winter bike 50, 39 & 26 with a 12-27 ten speed cassette
1993 Simoncini Cyclocross Special (updated) 50 & 34 with a 13-29 ten speed cassette
2017 Canyon Endurace 48 & 31 with an 11-32 eleven speed cassette
1987ish Serotta Nova Special X (updated) 48, 36 & 26 with a 12-28 eight speed cassette
1971 Peugeot PX10 (updated) 46, 42 & 30 with a 13-30 five speed freewheel
2016 Raleigh Roker 46 & 33 with an 11-36 eleven speed cassette
1972 Paramount (updated chainrings) 45 & 41 with a 13-26 six speed freewheel
1972 Paramount (correct & original) 53 & 49 with a 14-24 five speed freewheel
1986ish De Rosa Professional (updated) 53 & 39 with a 13-26 nine speed cassette
1992 Pinarello Gavia (updated) 53 & 39 with a 13-29 ten speed cassette
2018 Ridley Helium SLX 50 & 34 with an 11-32 eleven speed cassette
1987 Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra (updated) 50 & 34 with a 11-28 eleven speed cassette
2009 winter bike 50, 39 & 26 with a 12-27 ten speed cassette
1993 Simoncini Cyclocross Special (updated) 50 & 34 with a 13-29 ten speed cassette
2017 Canyon Endurace 48 & 31 with an 11-32 eleven speed cassette
1987ish Serotta Nova Special X (updated) 48, 36 & 26 with a 12-28 eight speed cassette
1971 Peugeot PX10 (updated) 46, 42 & 30 with a 13-30 five speed freewheel
2016 Raleigh Roker 46 & 33 with an 11-36 eleven speed cassette
1972 Paramount (updated chainrings) 45 & 41 with a 13-26 six speed freewheel
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Like @iab, I'd vote for all 3 if I could.
One of my bikes is set up with a 35" low gear for conserving energy on long rides. Other bikes are set up with more challenging gearing when I want it for shorter rides. I don't give a **** what my frames came with originally.
One of my bikes is set up with a 35" low gear for conserving energy on long rides. Other bikes are set up with more challenging gearing when I want it for shorter rides. I don't give a **** what my frames came with originally.
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Like @iab, I'd vote for all 3 if I could.
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Ditto. With a 42/53 and corncob, the cog I wanted always seemed to be on the wrong end of the cluster. Now, I almost never shift out of the large ring, and usually around the middle of the cassette. Better chain line and better shift progression.
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I'll be darned, just figured it was a one-choice-only poll. I'll pay more attention next time!
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I live in the north bay but work in Berkeley and ride all over, and a typical road low gear of 39/24 or 26 would definitely NOT work for me. 46/30 sub-compact or triples in the front all the way!
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I'm surprised how small some of you guys go for your big ring. I love low gears, but I want the big gears too!
My (high performance) tall bike kind of unintentionally ended up with an %805 gear range, lowest is 24/36 and tallest is 54/11, it will go slower than walking speed, or 50+ MPH, so far the fastest I've had it is 54, but with a steeper hill I should be able to hit 60.
My (high performance) tall bike kind of unintentionally ended up with an %805 gear range, lowest is 24/36 and tallest is 54/11, it will go slower than walking speed, or 50+ MPH, so far the fastest I've had it is 54, but with a steeper hill I should be able to hit 60.
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It all depends how I'm feeling, and I'd better have all the options! Also, there's a wide variety of terrain, baggage, frame flex, and (on tandems at least) stoker preference/strength/weight. Somewhere in there, among the many options, I can find gearing nirvana, but it lies in a different place each time depending on all the other factors.
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I'm surprised how small some of you guys go for your big ring. I love low gears, but I want the big gears too!
My (high performance) tall bike kind of unintentionally ended up with an %805 gear range, lowest is 24/36 and tallest is 54/11, it will go slower than walking speed, or 50+ MPH, so far the fastest I've had it is 54, but with a steeper hill I should be able to hit 60.
My (high performance) tall bike kind of unintentionally ended up with an %805 gear range, lowest is 24/36 and tallest is 54/11, it will go slower than walking speed, or 50+ MPH, so far the fastest I've had it is 54, but with a steeper hill I should be able to hit 60.
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When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
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Its a shimano LX MTB derailleur from 2008, has a very long cage. When I am in my granny ring I can't use the bottom half of my cassette because the chain drags on the bottom of the front derailleur cage, but thats pretty easy to work around, if I'm going for the granny ring I want a 20+ tooth cog on the back anyway.
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42/52 & 13-21 7sp is OK for where I ride, no hills at all. Maybe a 39/49 would be better.
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Out of all the bikes, it's got the most transitory frame finish, so it makes the most sense to designate as the muletto
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On my first Eroica CA, I rode my '64 Legnano with a 52/42 Campy crank and a 28t five speed free wheel. I walked three hills.
I came back with a '73 Raleigh Super Corse, running a Sugino 50/40/32 triple and a 34t six speed Megarange freewheel. I walked 3 hills, but got farther up the hill before I bailed out. I was also 2 years older. I have since gone to a 52t big ring to get more gear range. Almost perfect set up now.
I came back with a '73 Raleigh Super Corse, running a Sugino 50/40/32 triple and a 34t six speed Megarange freewheel. I walked 3 hills, but got farther up the hill before I bailed out. I was also 2 years older. I have since gone to a 52t big ring to get more gear range. Almost perfect set up now.
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I luv the look of a vintage bike with vintage gears. Riding behind side-tacked seat stays, skinny tires, slender hubs, and that tight 5 speed FW, is a fun time for me. And if I am riding one too, that is icing on the cake. My interpretation of horses for courses has me 90% sure of using a 5 speed 14/22, 52/42 for Eroica CA. I don't INTEND to walk but I am 90% sure that I will, from time to time, clumsily dismount and catch my breath while leaning on a correct vintage bike.
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Dogma vs. Pragma
Everyone has their own level of pride, shame, conformity and compromise. Ride? Build "right?" Avoid criticism? Feel loyal? Peer pressure? Does it have a good beat? Can you dance to it?
I have two modern "go to" bikes, one steel and one carbon. The Wraith is 52/36 but goes 11-34 rear. It can go up, down and all around. It's steel, and it's well under 17 lbs. I can't find anything I don't like about it. I could go compact on it, 50/34, but at present it climbs fine and I'm not able to run the rpm's needed to keep up to some groups on the 50. So it's practical, pragmatic, and has no niche requirements. The Y-Foil is a cult bike, but I do like to ride it, so it's also 52/36, but 11-32 at the back. It can go up, down and all around. It's carbon, but old and funkadelic, about 18 lbs. I swap it in for the Wraith. It's not practical, because it's a 2nd bike, and the only niche requirement is to not offend the Y-Foil cult.
I have two C&V "go to" bikes, one steel and one Ti. The Fiorini is 50/34 and 11-28. So is the Litespeed. They can go up, down and all around. I can't find anything I don't like about either one. They are not practical because they are luxury items, extra bikes in a world that will forgive me their ownership. But they can go up, down and all around.
I have two C&V steel "go to" bikes, both triples. The Battaglin is 52/42/30 and 11-26. The Competition is 52/42/30 and 11-27. They can go up, down, and all around. They are superfluous and mainly for my inflated pride. The Competition is an ode to my late friend cehowardGS . I keep some triple components around, so they can go up, down and all around.
So, I "go to" with plenty of options, none that will leave me gasping on a hill or unable to ride like I'm late. I need to go up, down and all around and live to lie about it.
I keep a spare (Colnago) that I'm about to replace with a Merckx at that location. These both fall into to "totally unnecessary" bikes, but I've departed from purity on several. The Colnago is about to be compact 50/34 Campy with a 12-30 rear, 2x10 Centaur. I need to be able to keep up, and climb. The Merckx is (gasp) 53/38 DA7700 with a long cage RD and 11-32 rear. I need to be able to keep up, and climb. The Cadex CFR-1 is 53/39 DA7700 with an 11-28 rear. I can definitely keep up, and have to work harder to climb. The Cinelli Equipe Centurion is compact 50/34 with a pending rear. 2x10 Campy downtube conversion. I don't even know where I'll ride it. The Guerciotti will be compact 50/34 and 12-30 rear, because I need to ride it in one event that requires climbing. It's pragmatic but not practical, as it's not necessary to own, much less ride.
Then there are the bikes that really are for flat Sundays that are dry.
Cinelli SC, 52/42 12-24
Basso Loto 52/42 and 12-25 if I ever finish it. It may actually become my rain bike.
Teledyne Titan 52/42 and 13-18 only ridden in Chicago's "spring" C&V ride.
Inconspicuous consumption, rationalized randomly.
I'll build what I have to, in order to ride. Pretty simple.
Up, down, all around.
I have two modern "go to" bikes, one steel and one carbon. The Wraith is 52/36 but goes 11-34 rear. It can go up, down and all around. It's steel, and it's well under 17 lbs. I can't find anything I don't like about it. I could go compact on it, 50/34, but at present it climbs fine and I'm not able to run the rpm's needed to keep up to some groups on the 50. So it's practical, pragmatic, and has no niche requirements. The Y-Foil is a cult bike, but I do like to ride it, so it's also 52/36, but 11-32 at the back. It can go up, down and all around. It's carbon, but old and funkadelic, about 18 lbs. I swap it in for the Wraith. It's not practical, because it's a 2nd bike, and the only niche requirement is to not offend the Y-Foil cult.
I have two C&V "go to" bikes, one steel and one Ti. The Fiorini is 50/34 and 11-28. So is the Litespeed. They can go up, down and all around. I can't find anything I don't like about either one. They are not practical because they are luxury items, extra bikes in a world that will forgive me their ownership. But they can go up, down and all around.
I have two C&V steel "go to" bikes, both triples. The Battaglin is 52/42/30 and 11-26. The Competition is 52/42/30 and 11-27. They can go up, down, and all around. They are superfluous and mainly for my inflated pride. The Competition is an ode to my late friend cehowardGS . I keep some triple components around, so they can go up, down and all around.
So, I "go to" with plenty of options, none that will leave me gasping on a hill or unable to ride like I'm late. I need to go up, down and all around and live to lie about it.
I keep a spare (Colnago) that I'm about to replace with a Merckx at that location. These both fall into to "totally unnecessary" bikes, but I've departed from purity on several. The Colnago is about to be compact 50/34 Campy with a 12-30 rear, 2x10 Centaur. I need to be able to keep up, and climb. The Merckx is (gasp) 53/38 DA7700 with a long cage RD and 11-32 rear. I need to be able to keep up, and climb. The Cadex CFR-1 is 53/39 DA7700 with an 11-28 rear. I can definitely keep up, and have to work harder to climb. The Cinelli Equipe Centurion is compact 50/34 with a pending rear. 2x10 Campy downtube conversion. I don't even know where I'll ride it. The Guerciotti will be compact 50/34 and 12-30 rear, because I need to ride it in one event that requires climbing. It's pragmatic but not practical, as it's not necessary to own, much less ride.
Then there are the bikes that really are for flat Sundays that are dry.
Cinelli SC, 52/42 12-24
Basso Loto 52/42 and 12-25 if I ever finish it. It may actually become my rain bike.
Teledyne Titan 52/42 and 13-18 only ridden in Chicago's "spring" C&V ride.
Inconspicuous consumption, rationalized randomly.
I'll build what I have to, in order to ride. Pretty simple.
Up, down, all around.
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All my bikes are 53/52- 42 with a max rear freewheel of 29.
Ive done some very steep long climbs in the L.A. area and never had to go to my "bailout" gear of 29. YET.
Im old and fat and can still climb with the same gears that Ive been riding for the last 37 years. Ill see how i do on those fire roads at L'Eroica . Now those are steep.
Ive done some very steep long climbs in the L.A. area and never had to go to my "bailout" gear of 29. YET.
Im old and fat and can still climb with the same gears that Ive been riding for the last 37 years. Ill see how i do on those fire roads at L'Eroica . Now those are steep.
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I have a lot of compact crank sets (50/34, 48/34, 46/34) made from old110bcd Sakai or Sugino cranks. My favorite setup ( on a Black Mountain Cycles Road) is a 46/30 subcompact made from an Ultegra triple. I have a mid-compact 52-34 setup on Hollowtech II cranks. I have a couple of Italians with standard 52/39 setups, only because I can’t find any 110 bcd square taper Campy cranks. I am not ashamed to use a triple if I manage to get one set up to shift correctly. I always use the biggest cassette or FW that will fit the rear derailleur.
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I'm another all 3-er.
Ironman with 50/34, 11-28 9 sp.
I've got 52/40, 14-24
A couple 52/42's with 28 and 26 tooth lows.
Single speed cruiser, and my two speed kickback folder.
Variety makes it fun for me.
I'm not all that gearing conscious. Ironman's the climber of choice now, but I have thoughts of possibly tripleizing another bike in the future.
Ironman with 50/34, 11-28 9 sp.
I've got 52/40, 14-24
A couple 52/42's with 28 and 26 tooth lows.
Single speed cruiser, and my two speed kickback folder.
Variety makes it fun for me.
I'm not all that gearing conscious. Ironman's the climber of choice now, but I have thoughts of possibly tripleizing another bike in the future.
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I'm going to be happy, but not "correct"
Me too! 46x18 fixed.
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BITD, the corn cobs were never about "correct". Freewheels only had 5 or 6 cogs in the back. If you ran a 13-26 or something, you be stuck with a big gap in your higher gears, which would be downright painful when going fast in a pack or a paceline. These were racing bikes let's remember. If you wanted a touring bike, those were available, and they had lower gears. BITD touring didn't necessarily mean camping, it just meant touring around on a bike, like for recreation instead of speed.