590 and 597 mm tires - wider than 37 mm?
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590 and 597 mm tires - wider than 37 mm?
26 x 1 3/8 tires are widely available in the classic 37 mm (or 35 mm) width from Kenda, Schwalbe and a number of other manufacturers. I have also seen thinner tires, down to 20 mm, for wheelchairs and old racing bikes. But I have yet to find a source of new 590 mm or 597 mm tires in widths greater than 37 mm.
I think it would be nice to have 1.75 inch (45 mm) or 2.0 inch (50 mm) tires, like the Schwalbe Big Apples, on these older 3-speed bikes. (I love the 1.75 x 26 tires on my Breezer, but of course those are 559 mm rims). Most 3-speeds have sufficient fender clearance for slightly wider tires.
Are there any online or North American sources of 45 x 590, 45 x 597, 50 x 590 or 50 x 597 tires?
I think it would be nice to have 1.75 inch (45 mm) or 2.0 inch (50 mm) tires, like the Schwalbe Big Apples, on these older 3-speed bikes. (I love the 1.75 x 26 tires on my Breezer, but of course those are 559 mm rims). Most 3-speeds have sufficient fender clearance for slightly wider tires.
Are there any online or North American sources of 45 x 590, 45 x 597, 50 x 590 or 50 x 597 tires?
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Okay, so that's a "nope."
The alternative would be to buy a new set of wheels in 559 mm size. That would be about $115, on Amazon.com, for a Nexus 3-speed rear wheel ($90) and aluminum-rim front wheel ($25, due to shipping).
Has anyone done this for their old 3-speed or 1-speed?
https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Nexus-...2808746&sr=1-1
https://www.amazon.com/Alex-Silver-St...ef=pd_sim_sg_1
(I suppose most bike shops will have front wheels for around this price, if they sell cruiser bikes)
The alternative would be to buy a new set of wheels in 559 mm size. That would be about $115, on Amazon.com, for a Nexus 3-speed rear wheel ($90) and aluminum-rim front wheel ($25, due to shipping).
Has anyone done this for their old 3-speed or 1-speed?
https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Nexus-...2808746&sr=1-1
https://www.amazon.com/Alex-Silver-St...ef=pd_sim_sg_1
(I suppose most bike shops will have front wheels for around this price, if they sell cruiser bikes)
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You haven't mentioned exactly what bike you are futzing with. Is it an English 3 speed sports type?
You are going to lose your brakes by converting to mountain bike wheels, what's your plan there?
Is the lack of tire width that negative?
Look into 650b wheels, there are wider tires for that size, and you may only have to mount longer reach brake calipers. It is a common conversion, there is a thread here somewhere.
You are going to lose your brakes by converting to mountain bike wheels, what's your plan there?
Is the lack of tire width that negative?
Look into 650b wheels, there are wider tires for that size, and you may only have to mount longer reach brake calipers. It is a common conversion, there is a thread here somewhere.
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I agree, that 650b would be easier to fit onto a typical 3 speed. 650b rim selection in the US is VERY limited though. But I guess 26 1 3/8 is also.
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You haven't mentioned exactly what bike you are futzing with. Is it an English 3 speed sports type?
You are going to lose your brakes by converting to mountain bike wheels, what's your plan there?
Is the lack of tire width that negative?
Look into 650b wheels, there are wider tires for that size, and you may only have to mount longer reach brake calipers. It is a common conversion, there is a thread here somewhere.
You are going to lose your brakes by converting to mountain bike wheels, what's your plan there?
Is the lack of tire width that negative?
Look into 650b wheels, there are wider tires for that size, and you may only have to mount longer reach brake calipers. It is a common conversion, there is a thread here somewhere.
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Yes, most conversions are more expensive than restorations. I happen to really like 26 x 1 3/8", I'm on the heavy side and the standard tires carry me fine, and I run on the dirt some too. I'm currently riding a Bridgestone 300, originally 27" wheeled, converted to 650A, and all the parts are priced on the low side.
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If you go with 590, the Panaracer Col de la Vie's are about 39mm, and are honestly huge. They float like pillows at 50 psi, and are fairly puncture proof. I would recommend anyone with 590's to go with them. My one complaint is that they don't have a generator strip, so I can't run a side-mount generator.
If you go with 559's, you will never find brakes that reach that far (nor would you want to - they'd bend like spaghetti). You'd have to modify it to run drum brakes.
If you go with 584 (650b), you probably wouldn't even have to change the brakes, and if you did, they'd be available. You can also get fat tires in 650b - up to mountain bike widths.
If you go with 559's, you will never find brakes that reach that far (nor would you want to - they'd bend like spaghetti). You'd have to modify it to run drum brakes.
If you go with 584 (650b), you probably wouldn't even have to change the brakes, and if you did, they'd be available. You can also get fat tires in 650b - up to mountain bike widths.
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I've used bottle generators (side-mount) for many years and never had a tire with a specific generator strip. Only had any problem at all in slushy conditions when the generator would sometimes slip - but that was very rare. Note that the generator should be mounted high enough that when it's engaged it runs partly on the regular tread surface of the tire and not just on the sidewall. Sometimes this requires a bit of bending or cutting away of the fender at that point.
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Interesting...I checked out a few websites that showed pretty horrific scuffing, and with a $30 tires, I'm not going to eat it that quickly.
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Even ran tubular tires for awhile with a generator without any problems - and those have much thinner tire casings than most clinchers.
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38.5 mm width is wider than most for a cushy, sure-footed rid" https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/590.html
$30 is a bit pricy for an old bike, but still reasonable compared to most Schwalbe's and other high-end brands.
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