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Old 04-06-21, 07:13 PM
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1958 Cinelli rims

What would be the correct rims to have on this bike? I have a lot of rims to choose from and was wondering if I have something that would be correct. Also looking for a Campy chrome steel seat post in 26.2mm. I have a 26.6 but too large for the bike. I believe this bike would have had a set of steel bars. I need to measure the Cinelli stem I have to check the size. I'll post pictures of the frame and serial number soon.
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Originally Posted by peashooter
What would be the correct rims to have on this bike? I have a lot of rims to choose from and was wondering if I have something that would be correct. Also looking for a Campy chrome steel seat post in 26.2mm. I have a 26.6 but too large for the bike. I believe this bike would have had a set of steel bars. I need to measure the Cinelli stem I have to check the size. I'll post pictures of the frame and serial number soon.
Not sure what rims but the chrome steel seat posts are the epitome of hens teeth, finding another one in the correct size would be a miracle of extraordinary magnitude, especially at a price remotely within reason.

It may be a challenge just finding a good condition later one.
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Originally Posted by peashooter
What would be the correct rims to have on this bike? I have a lot of rims to choose from and was wondering if I have something that would be correct. Also looking for a Campy chrome steel seat post in 26.2mm. I have a 26.6 but too large for the bike. I believe this bike would have had a set of steel bars. I need to measure the Cinelli stem I have to check the size. I'll post pictures of the frame and serial number soon.
Here are some pics.





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I have no advice for you but what a nice bike. hoping to watch the build.
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I honestly have no idea on the wheel rims, but I don't think Cinelli was making their own branded rims.
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My mind is floating towards Nisi tubular rims, even though I couldn't really point to a particular set and be confident to it's age matching the bike, nor could I say whether they were OE on these. Nonetheless, I believe a period set would be perfectly complementary and a likely piece of kit to find on one back when they were new.

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Nisi , Ambrosio with the shield label, Weinmann wood-filled are original to my Cinelli
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I forgot, Mavic.

Go here - https://www.speedbicycles.ch/

Look at any Italian bike from the era. Pick out something.
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Nisi , Ambrosio with the shield label, Weinmann wood-filled are original to my Cinelli
I vote Fiamne.

also vote Nitor post and saddle- more available than a Steel Campagnolo in 26.2- still not for the thin of wallet.

the vast majority of Steel Cinelli bars are the same as the Pista at the clamp region.

I had ONE non anodized Cinelli aluminum Giro bend bar that fit the Cinelli steel stem. Sold for a silly, can’t pass up offer. That old Italian steed will have to soldier on with an Ambrosio set.
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Originally Posted by peashooter
What would be the correct rims to have on this bike? I have a lot of rims to choose from and was wondering if I have something that would be correct. Also looking for a Campy chrome steel seat post in 26.2mm. I have a 26.6 but too large for the bike. I believe this bike would have had a set of steel bars. I need to measure the Cinelli stem I have to check the size. I'll post pictures of the frame and serial number soon.
So not doubting but where does the 1958 dating come from?

These more than many are notoriously hard to date.

You have assembled an impressive stock of parts that we see, amazing.

Can we have a good pic of the seatpost plz?

Also amazing to find a chrome frame and fork this nice and this old, let alone both of these things.

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Originally Posted by repechage
I vote Fiamne.

also vote Nitor post and saddle- more available than a Steel Campagnolo in 26.2- still not for the thin of wallet.

the vast majority of Steel Cinelli bars are the same as the Pista at the clamp region.

I had ONE non anodized Cinelli aluminum Giro bend bar that fit the Cinelli steel stem. Sold for a silly, can’t pass up offer. That old Italian steed will have to soldier on with an Ambrosio set.
Keep in mind that those Nitor seat posts are really short - much shorter than a Campy. Saying it would give you a "French fit" might be exaggerating how high you could get the saddle. I'm not sayng you should not get one, just that you need to be aware of what you will get.

Keep in mind that the serial number is pretty much useless for dating the frame. It appears that if Cino & Co. had a date-sensitive numbering system, its secrets have been lost in the mists of time. Do not assume that the "5898" serial number means the frame was built in 1958; any correlation between that number and 1958 would be purely coincidental. If you don't have any other basis for knowing the build year, your best bet for estimating it is to consult the Cinelli timeline in the Velo Retro website and compare your frame's details with it. In your case, I'd especially look for the "wolf ear" head tube lugs, which appear to have been discontinued in 1960. I can't tell from your photos if yours has them or not.

Since Cinellis could be (and often were) purchased as frame-and-fork only when new, or were built up by the shop selling them, you can go with just about anything, components-wise, that is from the right time period and still be "period correct." Hence the various options regarding your choice of rims. BTW, the gear you've assembled so far looks pretty good to my somewhat-knowledgeable-but-not-expert eye.

Great find. They are great frames. I am fortunate to have two mid-60s example in my rather large size, one set up to be Eroica-compliant (but not "period correct") and one set up with Campy 10sp triple. Heavy as heck (but then, so am I), but great riding bikes, Congrats on landing one to the all-time great and iconic frames, and welcome to the club.
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The bike is from my late brother's collection. He had that date listed, so I'm pretty sure it is at least close. There is something about the pedals that were one year only but I can't remember what exactly.
There is a set of red label Super Champion clinchers, a NOS set of Ambrosio rims, a NOS set of Jantes Clements, red label Super Champion Competitions, a set of Mephisto rims and a set of Weinman clinchers.




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Originally Posted by bikingshearer
I'd especially look for the "wolf ear" head tube lugs, which appear to have been discontinued in 1960. I can't tell from your photos if yours has them or not.
The blue background on the headbadge (assuming it is original) indicates its the 56mm version, pretty much pegging the bike no later than 1958. Could be as early as 1951. The lozenge decal disappeared after 1955, but without it, Cinellis look the same.

Nisi is probably the easiest of rims to find. They ones with the serrated bake walls were made in the 50s and 60s, so there are "lots" of them out there. Fiamme and Mavic would be the next "easiest". I personally disagree with the OP in the Fiamme thread. I don't think option #3 was available in the 50s. You can find the Weinmanns in Germany. Early Ambrosio rims are pretty tough to find outside of Torino.
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Originally Posted by peashooter
There is a set of red label Super Champion clinchers, a NOS set of Ambrosio rims, a NOS set of Jantes Clements, red label Super Champion Competitions, a set of Mephisto rims and a set of Weinman clinchers.
Entirely depends on the labels on the rims and how "correct" you want to be.
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Originally Posted by peashooter
The bike is from my late brother's collection. He had that date listed, so I'm pretty sure it is at least close. There is something about the pedals that were one year only but I can't remember what exactly.
There is a set of red label Super Champion clinchers, a NOS set of Ambrosio rims, a NOS set of Jantes Clements, red label Super Champion Competitions, a set of Mephisto rims and a set of Weinman clinchers.




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Tx for showing the SP, as you likely know, these are by any measure.

I'm going to throw this out and maybe sorry but you "could" hone or ream the ST for that SP to fit, not that far off, again, .

NOT advocating this BUT could be a consideration, obviously not in the best way.

Those pedals may be the short thread ones for the thinner crank arms of the time, Campy had a pressed in dustcap for the back of the pedal eye and raised lip on the outer side.

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Originally Posted by peashooter
The bike is from my late brother's collection. He had that date listed, so I'm pretty sure it is at least close. There is something about the pedals that were one year only but I can't remember what exactly.
There is a set of red label Super Champion clinchers, a NOS set of Ambrosio rims, a NOS set of Jantes Clements, red label Super Champion Competitions, a set of Mephisto rims and a set of Weinman clinchers.
Your brother had good taste. I'm sorry about his passing.

In your latest photos, I see the wolf ear head tube lugs, which according to the Velo Retro timeline means before 1960. Based on your brother's notes and all the other now-accumulated info, it sure looks to be from the 50s. Per iab's post, check the size of head badge. That will pin it down a little more.

Again, beautiful frame. The fact that it was your brother's makes it even more special.
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^^^Agreed, and good on the OP for moving it forward.
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I found a set of early Fiamme rims as well. The Ambrosio's are still in the wrappers. The hubs are 36 hole so need to check the rims I have. I am going to post up photos of his bikes here. They are mostly going to Copake next week to be auctioned.



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I thought about honing out the seat tube, but that would only be as a last resort if I was bound and determined to keep it period correct. I found an early steel Cinelli bar in a box of handlebars as well. Needs to be rechromed but no big deal as long as they don't buff away the logo.
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Originally Posted by peashooter
I thought about honing out the seat tube, but that would only be as a last resort if I was bound and determined to keep it period correct. I found an early steel Cinelli bar in a box of handlebars as well. Needs to be rechromed but no big deal as long as they don't buff away the logo.
The prudent course of course, a later all alloy one will be fine, as we all know many parts got changed out, upgraded, whatever, etc.

That being said, chrome frame, bars, stem in what appears to be fantastic condition and SP in what looks to be good condition would = .

Just sayin

Can't wait to see what else is there.
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The Ambrosios you have are likely clinchers, which is fine, but the expectation for that bike would be tubulars. If it were me, I like the Clements, they have panache. I like panache.
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Sew ups

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Lousy pics, but both these sets are for sew ups. I like the Clements as well.
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But the Ambrosios and Fiammes would be appropriate. You have options.

The 1 5/8 measurement on the Ambrosio wrapper is cool. Rarely have I seen a width listed for tubular rims, much more typical of clincher rims. Great stuff you are showing.
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