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No, let's not. More specifically, let's not take any advice from you. "We" don't need to follow anything you suggest, and it is highly unlikely that anything good would come of doing so.
Finally, no -- "we" do not need "to get over ourselves". If there is one person on this sub-forum who needs to get over him- or herself, and to "humble" him- or herself -- that is, demonstrate just a little less arrogance -- it is you.
Finally, no -- "we" do not need "to get over ourselves". If there is one person on this sub-forum who needs to get over him- or herself, and to "humble" him- or herself -- that is, demonstrate just a little less arrogance -- it is you.
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There is a deeper problem, which is what happens when hordes of people show up with frisbees and balls and turn a park into a playground. Then there are the vendors and park managers who use them to turn the park into a business that generates more revenue. There is fundamental bias against having parks be nature sanctuaries where people can hike/bike, camp, and live in a more primitive, small-footprint, way because most people just don't want to be humbled by nature, i.e. because humility in the face of nature feels like humiliation to them.
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You argue technicalities like a lawyer. It's not about technicalities. It's about an overall attitude where people either fully respect nature or they just see it as a playground and don't want to be bothered with responsibility for properly stewarding the environment by limiting their behavior appropriately. When you ask about frisbees or whatever you sound like a kid in a library or classroom who is told to be quiet and then starts asking exactly what the threshold of noise is before they get in trouble. The point is that a library or classroom should be quiet so people can focus mentally and concentrate, just like the purpose of respecting nature is to allow other species and the overall ecology to function as it would without humans being present. If people are scaring animals with noise and trampling plants, etc. more humans means more abuse of nature. Don't you understand that?
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This really doesn't reflect reality. Most park managers are folks who have dedicated their lives to the protection of these resources. Given their druthers they would likely restrict access even more, but they do have to balance that against the public's desire to see these wonderful lands that they collectively own. There are at times political pressures to reduce areas set aside as wilderness, but overall I think the history of the park service and other natural resource management agencies has not shown any bias on the part of managers against protection of these lands. People who go into this field generally do it as a labor of love and they don't deserve such spurious accusations.
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And I'm sure there are people with little actual knowledge of the profession willing to sit in their armchairs and criticize the dedicated folks who are there doing the real work necessary to preserve our wild lands.
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Well, my family is currently "car free." One point, we meet a lot of other car free people, and we all feel very fortunate to be able to live this way, nobody is judging anybody for having cars. Cars are super useful. Well, actually, we judge our mountaineer and long distance cycler of a neighbor (and friend) who drives his SUV two blocks to the coffee shop because there's a drizzle in the forecast, but we mock him openly, so that makes it OK yeah?
I mostly jumped on here to note that our local rental agency would let you pick up the keys at closing on Friday, and would consider it returned on time as long as the keys were waiting in the office drop box Monday morning at 9am. Although we have paid for an extra day just to make logistics easier, still cheaper than owning a car.
Also, at least where we live, there are more cars than driving-age adults at almost every house in the neighborhood. If your neighbors are crunchy like ours, they feel guilty about this fact, and will gladly lend you their extra vehicle so it gets used. We fill up the tank, clean the windows, and bring them back something as a gift, except one neighbor who wants us to rent it for cash which is fine too.
Also, at least where we live, there are more cars than driving-age adults at almost every house in the neighborhood. If your neighbors are crunchy like ours, they feel guilty about this fact, and will gladly lend you their extra vehicle so it gets used. We fill up the tank, clean the windows, and bring them back something as a gift, except one neighbor who wants us to rent it for cash which is fine too.
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Thank you!
And BTW - libraries are social areas now, not the silent places they once were.
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...but we mock him openly, so that makes it OK yeah?
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Sounds like someone doesn't understand ecosystems very well.
NP's are complicated ecosystems wherein park visitors and nature coexist through a lot of planning and intervention.
The strategy for this co existence is encapsulated mainly in the concept and creation of front country and back country zones. Development for mainstream human visitation occurs in the first while more strict rules that limit human impact occur in the second. The revenue generated from the first funds conservation in the second.
NP's are complicated ecosystems wherein park visitors and nature coexist through a lot of planning and intervention.
The strategy for this co existence is encapsulated mainly in the concept and creation of front country and back country zones. Development for mainstream human visitation occurs in the first while more strict rules that limit human impact occur in the second. The revenue generated from the first funds conservation in the second.
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Sounds like someone doesn't understand ecosystems very well.
NP's are complicated ecosystems wherein park visitors and nature coexist through a lot of planning and intervention.
The strategy for this co existence is encapsulated mainly in the concept and creation of front country and back country zones. Development for mainstream human visitation occurs in the first while more strict rules that limit human impact occur in the second. The revenue generated from the first funds conservation in the second.
NP's are complicated ecosystems wherein park visitors and nature coexist through a lot of planning and intervention.
The strategy for this co existence is encapsulated mainly in the concept and creation of front country and back country zones. Development for mainstream human visitation occurs in the first while more strict rules that limit human impact occur in the second. The revenue generated from the first funds conservation in the second.
However, someone chooses not to do any of those things.
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How many jobs do you know of where you can consistently say no money and popular opinion in the name of doing what's good or right without facing political pressure to change or leave? It's not just about parks and their employees. This is a general thing in all organizations.
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This really doesn't reflect reality. Most park managers are folks who have dedicated their lives to the protection of these resources. Given their druthers they would likely restrict access even more, but they do have to balance that against the public's desire to see these wonderful lands that they collectively own. There are at times political pressures to reduce areas set aside as wilderness, but overall I think the history of the park service and other natural resource management agencies has not shown any bias on the part of managers against protection of these lands. People who go into this field generally do it as a labor of love and they don't deserve such spurious accusations.
These people care deeply about what they do and the environments they work in. Anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing of the subject.
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