Pedestrians = more dangerous than drivers?
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I know they have the right of way, but you should not be reckless! Some of them are. You do not jump in front of a speeding car because you have the right of way. You are the one will get hurt!
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Some people here seem to think that people in motor vehicles are VIP's when in fact they should be provided last preference when planning communities.
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There is a difference between reckless and the suggestion that people in motor vehicles have preference (when they actually don't, and in fact it is the opposite).
Some people here seem to think that people in motor vehicles are VIP's when in fact they should be provided last preference when planning communities.
Some people here seem to think that people in motor vehicles are VIP's when in fact they should be provided last preference when planning communities.
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You are talking ideals and I am talking who is going to hurt. I do not disagree with you, but it is better to be cautious than get hurt. Unfortunately, that is how the drivers of cars feel and act. No matter how much rights pedestrians have, still they are the one should be careful.
It is the law.
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Sounds fair.
But you are now taking this to extremes.
Nobody said that pedestrians can just launch themselves in front of a car as you have suggested (and in fact the law expressly says that this is illegal where I am from).
But motorists MUST drive to the conditions and MUST Give Way to pedestrians where pedestrians are attempting to cross the road.
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So based on your might is right idealism, keep your car out of the way of trucks, and big industry should get away with tramping on the little guy.
Sounds fair.
But you are now taking this to extremes.
Nobody said that pedestrians can just launch themselves in front of a car as you have suggested (and in fact the law expressly says that this is illegal where I am from).
But motorists MUST drive to the conditions and MUST Give Way to pedestrians where pedestrians are attempting to cross the road.
Sounds fair.
But you are now taking this to extremes.
Nobody said that pedestrians can just launch themselves in front of a car as you have suggested (and in fact the law expressly says that this is illegal where I am from).
But motorists MUST drive to the conditions and MUST Give Way to pedestrians where pedestrians are attempting to cross the road.
You keep saying this is the way it is where you are from: Where are you from?
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Again, you are arguing with me as if I disagree with you. I guess to stop further misunderstandings, I have to say: Good luck teaching that to drivers: To always give the right of way to pedestrians.
You keep saying this is the way it is where you are from: Where are you from?
You keep saying this is the way it is where you are from: Where are you from?
An uncivilized country like your own.
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Those machines are just so much potential scrap metal without the people operating them. The people are the dangerous element. No weapon ever kills without human interaction, no tool causes death or injury without human interaction. It is, indeed, simple. A simple truth that most are uncomfortable with. We, and only we, are responsible (oh that word!) for whatever happens with a tool of any kind that is under our control. Anything else is fiction.
By your logic, keeping hydrogen bombs readily available to the general public isn't a bad idea. If you can get to that conclusion using your logic, you might want to reconsider what your point is.
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A person is far more dangerous when they are operating a car or truck than they are when they are riding a bike or walking. You're just playing silly word games.
By your logic, keeping hydrogen bombs readily available to the general public isn't a bad idea. If you can get to that conclusion using your logic, you might want to reconsider what your point is.
By your logic, keeping hydrogen bombs readily available to the general public isn't a bad idea. If you can get to that conclusion using your logic, you might want to reconsider what your point is.
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I've seen enough otherwise-calm people somehow turn into complete rage-filled maniacs when behind a wheel to figure that there's something about driving a car that seems to cause people to snap at the slightest inconvenience.
This is not to mention design factors like the repopularity of trucks and SUVs with high front ends making pedestrian collisions have deadlier consequences than before.
This is not to mention design factors like the repopularity of trucks and SUVs with high front ends making pedestrian collisions have deadlier consequences than before.
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I'm always amazed by the number of self hating cyclists on this site. Keep that crap contained to A&S.
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Not silly word games, and how you get to your conclusion isn't logical, it's emotional. After all, people don't kill people, weapons kill people, right? No one should be held accountable for their actions? On the obverse of the coin of freedom is inscribed a single word: responsibility.
People kill people with weapons. Weapons make them more effective killers. If you want to abstract that out from your moral code, fine, but nevertheless, I've never reasonably felt my life threatened by a pedestrian not following a rule, and that's a regular occurrence when drivers fail to do so. The more dangerous the implement you are using is, the greater responsibility you have to be careful. I'm very conscious of an increased responsibility to watch out for the safety of others when I drive, are you?
The idea that noticing that some activities make a person more dangerous than others is purely "emotional" is perhaps the stupidest assertion I've heard in weeks (not including statements coming out of the White House). Congratulations!
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it really stands to reason that someone operating a machine that can easily kill people should have more responsibility than someone who isn't, but I'm just being emotional or something. I don't know.
Strangely enough the whole emphasis on "personal responsibility" tends to be used to deny personal responsibility. Yes, the guy operating the jacked up F-250 driving at 50 in a 25 bears some responsibility, but was the pedestrian wearing a reflective vest?
Strangely enough the whole emphasis on "personal responsibility" tends to be used to deny personal responsibility. Yes, the guy operating the jacked up F-250 driving at 50 in a 25 bears some responsibility, but was the pedestrian wearing a reflective vest?
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Howabout a Cycliq compilation?
First pedestrian hit is ~3 seconds in. I haven't watched all the way through this one in a while, but I think this compilation has several. Some are the bicyclists fault, at least partially, but most are just pedestrians/joggers being oblivious.
First pedestrian hit is ~3 seconds in. I haven't watched all the way through this one in a while, but I think this compilation has several. Some are the bicyclists fault, at least partially, but most are just pedestrians/joggers being oblivious.
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Howabout a Cycliq compilation?
First pedestrian hit is ~3 seconds in. I haven't watched all the way through this one in a while, but I think this compilation has several. Some are the bicyclists fault, at least partially, but most are just pedestrians/joggers being oblivious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=UHUtU4R9G9M
First pedestrian hit is ~3 seconds in. I haven't watched all the way through this one in a while, but I think this compilation has several. Some are the bicyclists fault, at least partially, but most are just pedestrians/joggers being oblivious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=UHUtU4R9G9M
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I've seen enough otherwise-calm people somehow turn into complete rage-filled maniacs when behind a wheel to figure that there's something about driving a car that seems to cause people to snap at the slightest inconvenience.
This is not to mention design factors like the repopularity of trucks and SUVs with high front ends making pedestrian collisions have deadlier consequences than before.
This is not to mention design factors like the repopularity of trucks and SUVs with high front ends making pedestrian collisions have deadlier consequences than before.
I've also had a teenaged girl drive a van with 4 guys in their late teens, chasing me, doing u-turns, and generally driving like one would in a video game. Whenever she got close enough to me, she'd stop, allowing the guys to open the sliding door and chase after me with hockey sticks. You cannot imagine how terrifying it was—my chest had palpitations for the next two weeks due to my overexertion. Finally, I got away. I came back again and found them stopped at a gas station getting gas. I said to her, "I've got your licence, and the police will be notified." How queer it is that she then begs me not to call them; you'd have thought she'd wanted the police to be called by the way she was driving. So, I called them for her. I also told the police I was going to have her charged, just to put a little extra fear in her.
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Is that how the law works in Ontario? What was the outcome of the charges you made?