With the rise of throttle e-bikes, e-motorcycles, mopeds etc. on the MUPs....
04-25-24, 04:03 AM
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My crystal ball tells me the artificial and silly distinctions between types of e-motor bikes will become irrelevant. People will choose the most power and functionality for their $. Vestigial pedals may remain, depending on how long the legal loopholes exist. Who knows how much disruption it would take before authorities think "Hmm, motor/ no motor. How easy to solve this."
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Those are all "e-motor" bikes. The only distinction that really matters is motor/ no motor. The others are artificial, created by the current regulations. Certainly there are cyclists who age out or otherwise become unable to ride w/o a motor but I think that will be a small segment of ebike users in the future. The attractions are obvious and as prices come down I think most users will come from outside the cycling world. They aren't going to care about classes. The "it's riding a bike, the motor is no different from another gear" prattle we see here will just seem silly to them. I agree, terminology is vague, hope this clarifies what I meant.
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Those are all "e-motor" bikes. The only distinction that really matters is motor/ no motor. The others are artificial, created by the current regulations. Certainly there are cyclists who age out or otherwise become unable to ride w/o a motor but I think that will be a small segment of ebike users in the future. The attractions are obvious and as prices come down I think most users will come from outside the cycling world. They aren't going to care about classes. The "it's riding a bike, the motor is no different from another gear" prattle we see here will just seem silly to them. I agree, terminology is vague, hope this clarifies what I meant.
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I agree, different markets. I see the % of buyers who see value in turning pedals as opposed to turning a throttle, decreasing. Cycling has never been that popular here in US among adults. Compare the number of aged out cyclists who need an ebike to adults who buy other motorized recreation of all sorts. I can see where in a few years lots of families might have a couple of ebikes in the garage along with their jet skis or whatever. They aren't going to care about pedal assist or 12 speed drive trains. Just my WAG but I don't see mfgs restricting themselves to a small market. Heck, I probably won't still be above ground to see how it shakes out.
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I agree, different markets. I see the % of buyers who see value in turning pedals as opposed to turning a throttle, decreasing. Cycling has never been that popular here in US among adults. Compare the number of aged out cyclists who need an ebike to adults who buy other motorized recreation of all sorts. I can see where in a few years lots of families might have a couple of ebikes in the garage along with their jet skis or whatever. They aren't going to care about pedal assist or 12 speed drive trains. Just my WAG but I don't see mfgs restricting themselves to a small market. Heck, I probably won't still be above ground to see how it shakes out.
If you go into a bike shop in the UK you will see a range of pedal assist e-bikes alongside their conventional counterparts. Often they are electrified versions of the same bike. You won’t see any throttle controlled e-motorbikes.
The guys you are talking about will just be replacing their conventional motorbikes, scooters and quads with electric motorbikes, scooters and quads. At least they will be quieter and less smelly.
04-30-24, 01:22 PM
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but I do ride MUPs less seasonally due to increased traffic. maybe that's one of the reasons I love winter cycling
04-30-24, 06:23 PM
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Here in Hawaii, IC mopeds have long been on the scene. You need a drivers license but not an MC endorsement. Used to be one-time vehicle registration/license but due to complaints about modified exhaust systems changed law to annual registration with inspection. Electric anything bicycle was considered a moped, until a couple years ago they adopted the US CPSC definition of "low powered electric bicycle" 750 Watt / 20 mph max with 170 lb rider on level ground (16CFR Part 1512 Sec 1). LPEB have 1 time registration, no DL requirement but 15 year old minimum age (seems to be ignored so far).
On Oahu we only have one what could be called MUP, heavily used for commuting, and there have always been some IC mopeds illegally on it, but they tend to ride with aloha. More kids on these e-things is the problem. But e-things on sidewalks is what is going to bring down the hammer next legislative session. (e scooters and hover boards on sidewalk too.)
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On Oahu we only have one what could be called MUP, heavily used for commuting, and there have always been some IC mopeds illegally on it, but they tend to ride with aloha. More kids on these e-things is the problem. But e-things on sidewalks is what is going to bring down the hammer next legislative session. (e scooters and hover boards on sidewalk too.)
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04-30-24, 07:03 PM
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My issue with these motorized 'bikes' is that they are using the same bike paths and bike lanes that non-motorized bikes are using, but are travelling at a much higher speed. I was on a dedicated bike lane today on the homeward commute when a dude on one of these motorized bikes attempted to pass me on the right side. I was travelling maybe 35 km/h. He was probably going 5 km/h faster than I was, and he wasn't pedaling at all. Full throttle, or half throttle, I honestly don't know how fast these things are capable of going.
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The New 2-Wheeled Operator is NOT a "Cyclist"
Trying to make comeback to tennis due to the following experiences:
I'm having run-ins with electric craft of all sorts; e-bikes, scooters, skateboards, and even electric motorcycles
GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN THE BIKE LANES.
1) I was making a right turn at night and avoided a HEAD ON COLLISION with a scooter traveling THE WRONG WAY WITH NO LIGHTS.
2) Two E-motorcyles approached me HEAD ON where I had to veer beside speeding auto traffic. AS they passed, I dodged one rider who stuck his foot out in an attempt to strike me.
3) Just minutes later, another electric scooter was coming toward me IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
These incidents continue each time I travel in the bike lane.
Generally speaking, the new two-wheeled traveler is not what is defined as a "cyclist." This traveler appears to have a completely different mindset that tends to be, 1) self-centered, and 2) disrespectful of others who share the road with them.
Some would even classify as punks/criminals, like the rider who tried to assault/kick me while passing me head-on.
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One of the best ways I've found to deal with other oncoming traffic in the wrong lane of the MUP is to simply stop and put your feet down on the ground so they know you are stopped. Of course you need to do this when they are at least 3 seconds or more from reaching your position.
Usually most just pass and keep going. But a few stop themselves and ask why I didn't get out of their way. Then I can point out where the trail guidelines are posted that recommend all traffic keep right and pass on the left when safe to do so.
Usually most just pass and keep going. But a few stop themselves and ask why I didn't get out of their way. Then I can point out where the trail guidelines are posted that recommend all traffic keep right and pass on the left when safe to do so.
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One of the best ways I've found to deal with other oncoming traffic in the wrong lane of the MUP is to simply stop and put your feet down on the ground so they know you are stopped. Of course you need to do this when they are at least 3 seconds or more from reaching your position.
Usually most just pass and keep going. But a few stop themselves and ask why I didn't get out of their way. Then I can point out where the trail guidelines are posted that recommend all traffic keep right and pass on the left when safe to do so.
Usually most just pass and keep going. But a few stop themselves and ask why I didn't get out of their way. Then I can point out where the trail guidelines are posted that recommend all traffic keep right and pass on the left when safe to do so.
And, I do always cherish my forward momentum when cycling...
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I do most of my riding in very hilly terrain. I rarely see electric motorized vehicles except for the four wheeled variety.
On the MUPS? They are everywhere in SoCal on MUPS as well as gas powered off-road dirt bikes, electric scooters, electric unicycles, dune buggies, mini motorcycles and all matter of gas engine contraptions. MUPS are freeways for everything but bicycles in SoCal as far as I can see.
On the MUPS? They are everywhere in SoCal on MUPS as well as gas powered off-road dirt bikes, electric scooters, electric unicycles, dune buggies, mini motorcycles and all matter of gas engine contraptions. MUPS are freeways for everything but bicycles in SoCal as far as I can see.
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E-Bike
Here in Colorado I dont see them as too much of a problem, though I do curse under my breath as someone passes me up a grinding hill on an e-bike. For me, I see them as a good way to allow some people access to the mountains that cant ride as much as I can. I also see them great for commuters and even know some people who use them as a way to get out when they have a physical condition that prevents them from riding a normal bike.
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Yes. I'm a lifelong tennis player and coach who was injured in a car crash. I turned to cycling to take some of the place of tennis.
Trying to make comeback to tennis due to the following experiences:
I'm having run-ins with electric craft of all sorts; e-bikes, scooters, skateboards, and even electric motorcycles
GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN THE BIKE LANES.
1) I was making a right turn at night and avoided a HEAD ON COLLISION with a scooter traveling THE WRONG WAY WITH NO LIGHTS.
2) Two E-motorcyles approached me HEAD ON where I had to veer beside speeding auto traffic. AS they passed, I dodged one rider who stuck his foot out in an attempt to strike me.
3) Just minutes later, another electric scooter was coming toward me IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
These incidents continue each time I travel in the bike lane.
Generally speaking, the new two-wheeled traveler is not what is defined as a "cyclist." This traveler appears to have a completely different mindset that tends to be, 1) self-centered, and 2) disrespectful of others who share the road with them.
Some would even classify as punks/criminals, like the rider who tried to assault/kick me while passing me head-on.
Trying to make comeback to tennis due to the following experiences:
I'm having run-ins with electric craft of all sorts; e-bikes, scooters, skateboards, and even electric motorcycles
GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IN THE BIKE LANES.
1) I was making a right turn at night and avoided a HEAD ON COLLISION with a scooter traveling THE WRONG WAY WITH NO LIGHTS.
2) Two E-motorcyles approached me HEAD ON where I had to veer beside speeding auto traffic. AS they passed, I dodged one rider who stuck his foot out in an attempt to strike me.
3) Just minutes later, another electric scooter was coming toward me IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
These incidents continue each time I travel in the bike lane.
Generally speaking, the new two-wheeled traveler is not what is defined as a "cyclist." This traveler appears to have a completely different mindset that tends to be, 1) self-centered, and 2) disrespectful of others who share the road with them.
Some would even classify as punks/criminals, like the rider who tried to assault/kick me while passing me head-on.
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