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More broadly this reminds me how we can think about the environmental impact our sport has. Although we're not driving a car, we can still leave a bigger negative footprint than we think. Might this be a good argument to drink your calories from a re-usable water bottle instead? It's not perfect (you still get the mixes in plastic containers) but potentially the impact is less than the single use plastic wraps.
However, I want some of my energy from solid food. If you’re willing to put in the effort making your own sandwiches and bars, wrapped in foil, can be cost effective, tailor your nutrition, easy to open, and a leave a bit smaller footprint. Unfortunately they take more effort than I typically am willing to put out
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I certainly like the idea of pre-cutting energy bar wrappers in advance if I could only remember to do it.
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Back when I used solid food on the bike, I'd open a couple Clif bars, break them into quarters and put them in a pocket. I never held anything in my hand for very long. I like all my fingers to be available for bike control as much of the time as possible.
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yeah, i definitely don’t like the “feel” of not having both hands on the bars. i’ll often even rest my eating hand on the bars mid-snack, still holding whatever it is.
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Now my Sunday rides are about 4 hours, and I learned that I need more than the calories in my drink mix to get through, so I eat something. But even though I really like to keep going, I have made it a habit to stop at the same place every ride, have a snack, etc.
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I see that Ziplocs now come in paper varieties, and of course these types of snack bags have been around for a long time
https://www.amazon.com/100-pack-Natu.../dp/B097XSL4PY
https://www.amazon.com/100-pack-Natu.../dp/B097XSL4PY
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I started this thread specifically for a challenging ride for me, which is now in two weeks: Ride Across Wisconsin (RAW). I plan to do the one day full option, which is 235 miles with either 8,500 feet of climbing (all road) or 7,300 feet of climbing (part tightly packed gravel). I'm not a particularly fast rider, so I want to be as efficient as possible. The only support I'll have is the provided SAG stops; I'll have no friends or family following me with a car to hand me premade drinks or snacks. So I've been testing different logistics the last few weeks while I do my weekend endurance rides. I have, for a few years, relied mostly on liquid electrolytes and carbs during my rides of three or more hours. I do, however get a like to have a little something in my belly for extended endurance rides (rides of 6-15 hours). In all honesty, I've only done one double century, and a couple extended centuries.
So here's what I've come up with:
*4 water bottles: 2 in the traditional triangle and 2 behind the saddle
*3 of these bottles will have Infinit Go Far and 1 just water
*a top tube bag filled with pre-portioned Infinit Go Far (ready for six more bottles)
*the opposite end of the top tube bag will have my extra front light, extra rear light and battery power supply for my phone (used for navigation) and Wahoo computer
*a top tube feed bag with 2 cliff bars, 1 shot blocks sleeve This bag will also be used for any energy bars or such I grab at the SAG stops.
As far as my original concern about opening packaging, I'm just going to pre-tear one package at a time at the SAG stops. I guess this is a long winded conclusion to my first world problem.
Thanks for all of your replies!
So here's what I've come up with:
*4 water bottles: 2 in the traditional triangle and 2 behind the saddle
*3 of these bottles will have Infinit Go Far and 1 just water
*a top tube bag filled with pre-portioned Infinit Go Far (ready for six more bottles)
*the opposite end of the top tube bag will have my extra front light, extra rear light and battery power supply for my phone (used for navigation) and Wahoo computer
*a top tube feed bag with 2 cliff bars, 1 shot blocks sleeve This bag will also be used for any energy bars or such I grab at the SAG stops.
As far as my original concern about opening packaging, I'm just going to pre-tear one package at a time at the SAG stops. I guess this is a long winded conclusion to my first world problem.
Thanks for all of your replies!
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Well don't forget they have plenty of rest stops roughly 15 miles or a tad further apart that provide water and other hydration mix along with snacks. So don't load yourself down with extra weight that will only make it harder on you because you'll use more energy over the course of that 235 miles to get to the end with a huge energy deficit no matter how many Calories you consume on the way.
Also, try to find a group that rides at your speed. Otherwise solo you'll expend 20 to 30 percent more energy in drag alone getting to the end.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=1#gid=1460409
https://www.rideacrosswisconsin.com/reststops
Also, try to find a group that rides at your speed. Otherwise solo you'll expend 20 to 30 percent more energy in drag alone getting to the end.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=1#gid=1460409
https://www.rideacrosswisconsin.com/reststops
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With rest stops every 15 miles, 2, bottles would be fine. At a bottle an hour, you could skip every other rest stop and be fine.
I did Dirty Kanza, that only has 3 places to get support for 200 miles of dirt roads, with 2 bottles and was fine. I think your plan is a bit of overkill.
I did Dirty Kanza, that only has 3 places to get support for 200 miles of dirt roads, with 2 bottles and was fine. I think your plan is a bit of overkill.
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I started this thread specifically for a challenging ride for me, which is now in two weeks: Ride Across Wisconsin (RAW). I plan to do the one day full option, which is 235 miles with either 8,500 feet of climbing (all road) or 7,300 feet of climbing (part tightly packed gravel). I'm not a particularly fast rider, so I want to be as efficient as possible. The only support I'll have is the provided SAG stops; I'll have no friends or family following me with a car to hand me premade drinks or snacks. So I've been testing different logistics the last few weeks while I do my weekend endurance rides. I have, for a few years, relied mostly on liquid electrolytes and carbs during my rides of three or more hours. I do, however get a like to have a little something in my belly for extended endurance rides (rides of 6-15 hours). In all honesty, I've only done one double century, and a couple extended centuries.
So here's what I've come up with:
*4 water bottles: 2 in the traditional triangle and 2 behind the saddle
*3 of these bottles will have Infinit Go Far and 1 just water
*a top tube bag filled with pre-portioned Infinit Go Far (ready for six more bottles)
*the opposite end of the top tube bag will have my extra front light, extra rear light and battery power supply for my phone (used for navigation) and Wahoo computer
*a top tube feed bag with 2 cliff bars, 1 shot blocks sleeve This bag will also be used for any energy bars or such I grab at the SAG stops.
As far as my original concern about opening packaging, I'm just going to pre-tear one package at a time at the SAG stops. I guess this is a long winded conclusion to my first world problem.
Thanks for all of your replies!
So here's what I've come up with:
*4 water bottles: 2 in the traditional triangle and 2 behind the saddle
*3 of these bottles will have Infinit Go Far and 1 just water
*a top tube bag filled with pre-portioned Infinit Go Far (ready for six more bottles)
*the opposite end of the top tube bag will have my extra front light, extra rear light and battery power supply for my phone (used for navigation) and Wahoo computer
*a top tube feed bag with 2 cliff bars, 1 shot blocks sleeve This bag will also be used for any energy bars or such I grab at the SAG stops.
As far as my original concern about opening packaging, I'm just going to pre-tear one package at a time at the SAG stops. I guess this is a long winded conclusion to my first world problem.
Thanks for all of your replies!
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I guess you also get to reclaim some of your lost electrolytes, by eating them after sweating all over them....
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The only thing I do differently is to put the packaging in one of legs of my shorts. The lycra bibs hold the package and won't let it fall on the ground, and any stickiness gets on my thigh and the shorts, which are both washed soon after the ride anyway.
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If you’re not comfortable riding no handed I don’t think you should pursue opening a bar when riding. The initial rip can throw you off. Resting your hands/arms on the bars while you do this could make it worse. Ride without hands for a while then try to do things with your hands once you’re comfortable.
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I started this thread specifically for a challenging ride for me, which is now in two weeks: Ride Across Wisconsin (RAW). I plan to do the one day full option, which is 235 miles with either 8,500 feet of climbing (all road) or 7,300 feet of climbing (part tightly packed gravel). I'm not a particularly fast rider, so I want to be as efficient as possible. The only support I'll have is the provided SAG stops; I'll have no friends or family following me with a car to hand me premade drinks or snacks. So I've been testing different logistics the last few weeks while I do my weekend endurance rides. I have, for a few years, relied mostly on liquid electrolytes and carbs during my rides of three or more hours. I do, however get a like to have a little something in my belly for extended endurance rides (rides of 6-15 hours). In all honesty, I've only done one double century, and a couple extended centuries.
So here's what I've come up with:
*4 water bottles: 2 in the traditional triangle and 2 behind the saddle
*3 of these bottles will have Infinit Go Far and 1 just water
*a top tube bag filled with pre-portioned Infinit Go Far (ready for six more bottles)
*the opposite end of the top tube bag will have my extra front light, extra rear light and battery power supply for my phone (used for navigation) and Wahoo computer
*a top tube feed bag with 2 cliff bars, 1 shot blocks sleeve This bag will also be used for any energy bars or such I grab at the SAG stops.
As far as my original concern about opening packaging, I'm just going to pre-tear one package at a time at the SAG stops. I guess this is a long winded conclusion to my first world problem.
Thanks for all of your replies!
So here's what I've come up with:
*4 water bottles: 2 in the traditional triangle and 2 behind the saddle
*3 of these bottles will have Infinit Go Far and 1 just water
*a top tube bag filled with pre-portioned Infinit Go Far (ready for six more bottles)
*the opposite end of the top tube bag will have my extra front light, extra rear light and battery power supply for my phone (used for navigation) and Wahoo computer
*a top tube feed bag with 2 cliff bars, 1 shot blocks sleeve This bag will also be used for any energy bars or such I grab at the SAG stops.
As far as my original concern about opening packaging, I'm just going to pre-tear one package at a time at the SAG stops. I guess this is a long winded conclusion to my first world problem.
Thanks for all of your replies!
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Well don't forget they have plenty of rest stops roughly 15 miles or a tad further apart that provide water and other hydration mix along with snacks. So don't load yourself down with extra weight that will only make it harder on you because you'll use more energy over the course of that 235 miles to get to the end with a huge energy deficit no matter how many Calories you consume on the way.
Also, try to find a group that rides at your speed. Otherwise solo you'll expend 20 to 30 percent more energy in drag alone getting to the end.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=1#gid=1460409
https://www.rideacrosswisconsin.com/reststops
Also, try to find a group that rides at your speed. Otherwise solo you'll expend 20 to 30 percent more energy in drag alone getting to the end.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=1#gid=1460409
https://www.rideacrosswisconsin.com/reststops
As it turns out, I only completed 120 miles of the 235 planned. We had a 15 mph wind coming out of the south the whole day. It was brutal; even the Wisconsinites were complaining about the wind. While I waited for my SAG ride, I saw about 5 other riders pack their bikes on their families' cars and drove away. I also was too picky as to whom I should ride with. If they were a bit too fast, I didn't hang on. If they were a bit too slow, I didn't slow down. I should have ridden with even a small group. This was a rookie mistake. I could have trained better and packed less on my bike.
I'm considering doing it again next year. I hate attempting it and not having been successful.
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120 miles is no couch potato day. You'll do even better next time.
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Don't be ashamed of the 120 miles. It's more than I've done anytime in very recent history. Congrat's!
As for the wind, that was a quartering headwind wasn't it? I'll take that or a direct head wind over a 15 mph tailwind. With the tailwind, it would be like riding with no air movement to help cool you if your average speed is 15 mph. On long rides you generate a lot of heat. So you need air blowing over you to keep you cool.
As for the wind, that was a quartering headwind wasn't it? I'll take that or a direct head wind over a 15 mph tailwind. With the tailwind, it would be like riding with no air movement to help cool you if your average speed is 15 mph. On long rides you generate a lot of heat. So you need air blowing over you to keep you cool.
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Good job completing 120 miles. You've got goo experience now for next time.
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Yes. It's a skill every cyclist should learn IMO... It's no different from drinking water while riding. You crack it open using your tooth and squeeze the bar / gel out in your mouth with your fingers.
Most of us stop every once and then during a ride, but it's still a good thing to learn how to do it in case you can't stop and need carb/food intake.
Most of us stop every once and then during a ride, but it's still a good thing to learn how to do it in case you can't stop and need carb/food intake.
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