Bread Bags, Platoons and the Definitive Way to Pronounce 'Pannier'...
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Bread Bags, Platoons and the Definitive Way to Pronounce 'Pannier'...
Russ Roca from the "Path Less Pedalled" goes above and beyond to get to the bottom of the 'pannier' pronunciation issue. (Although 'the bottom of the pannier' would technically be a 'cul-de-sac'.)
Discussion of the word "peloton" at 9 minutes in; plus what do the French call "panniers" a litttle after that.
Enjoy!
Discussion of the word "peloton" at 9 minutes in; plus what do the French call "panniers" a litttle after that.
Enjoy!
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First, choose a favorite bike shop ... then, pronounce "pannier" however they do ....
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That was not the answer I was expecting. Very interesting history.
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Before listening to the explanation I'll say that English has words presumably derived from French like bombardier and grenadier and the 'dier' part is pronounced like 'deer'.
On the other hand, I always pronounce 'pannier' with a 'y' - 'pan-yer'.
On the other hand, I always pronounce 'pannier' with a 'y' - 'pan-yer'.
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Can't watch videos at work, but it has always been my understanding that it comes from a bag traditionally used to carry bread.
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What I want to know is, what's the correct way to pronounce Tour de "France", is it Frantz, not Frahnce? GIVEN: I'm in the US when I'm saying it.
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This thread is clearly an American problems thread. Anyone who can't pronnounce 'mirror' and thinks 'aluminium' rhymes with 'hooligan' is frankly a lost cause.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
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This thread is clearly an American problems thread. Anyone who can't pronnounce 'mirror' and thinks 'aluminium' rhymes with 'hooligan' is frankly a lost cause.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
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This thread is clearly an American problems thread. Anyone who can't pronnounce 'mirror' and thinks 'aluminium' rhymes with 'hooligan' is frankly a lost cause.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
However, the American pronunciation of "garage" is actually closer to the original in French. English has been incorporating French ( or Norman French, really) since 1066. As the expert points out, the adoption of the term often spawns its own etymology in the language of the borrower. Spanish has incorporated Arabic terms since the days of the Moors. Some of those words ( "sofa" comes to mind, at the moment) have subsequently been borrowed by English, from the Spanish.
How soon before we wade into the quagmire with "derailleur ".
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This thread is clearly an American problems thread. Anyone who can't pronnounce 'mirror' and thinks 'aluminium' rhymes with 'hooligan' is frankly a lost cause.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
The yanks have worked hard to reduce syllables from their daily vocals, that much is clear to the billions of us foreigners who speak English. Including the English, like myself.
Also, the only reason you pronounce it "aluminium" is because the British changed the spelling, and no one else followed along. We spell and pronounce "aluminum" correctly per the element's original name.
"Hooligan" doesn't even have the right number of syllables or the correct consonants or vowels to rhyme with "aluminum".
As far as working hard to save syllables, nothing we have rivals the British use of "cuppa".
Outside of that, great post! Chock full of observations.
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And why do you call it a brake rotor on a car, but a brake disc on a bike? And why is the 'u' missing everywhere? And does an elephant put luggage in their trunk? And does diesel qualify as gas..?
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Someone around here clued me in to the correct pronunciation some time ago: SAD-ul bag.
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And why isn't it "handlesbar" when it's held at both ends, and why is it a "chainstay" if the chain doesn't actually attach to it, and have you seen my baby bolts?