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Old 11-04-19, 02:43 AM
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I just saw this thread pop up in my subscribed threads....
Just a small update on my SLR1. Last week I turned 14,000 miles over on it. It’s still going strong! I only had to replace tires, chains, brake pads, front shifter cable and a pedal.

Here’s to the next 14k!

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Originally Posted by FM1178 View Post
Absolutely. This bike has the capability to be completely badass like the Sirrus X Comp. Carbon frame, thru axles and not QR, 11 or 12 speed drive train, etc. Giant completely missed out on a specific demographic of buyers. Granted this demographic would be very select but it would be nice to have something that competes with the Sirrus X.
The Sirrus X is actually pretty nice. I tried one out and my girlfriend has one. It's lacking on space for wider tires though. It's the one thing that has kept me from buying it. It's limited to 38mm tire width. If it allowed 45mm I would be on it.
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Interested in trying one of these as a do it all commuter and family ride bike that can go anywhere.

In stock form can you get full mudguards on as well as the rack or would you need to go down in tyre size?

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Originally Posted by nantman85 View Post
In stock form can you get full mudguards on as well as the rack or would you need to go down in tyre size?
Here's a current thread in the Touring subforum about just that -- mounting mudguards to a ToughRoad. It sounds like the downtube protector may need to come off to do it, but it works otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Henny View Post
I just saw this thread pop up in my subscribed threads....
Just a small update on my SLR1. Last week I turned 14,000 miles over on it. Itís still going strong! I only had to replace tires, chains, brake pads, front shifter cable and a pedal.

Hereís to the next 14k!

Nice. Congrats. The Toughroad SLR1 is my dream adventure touring bike. I was bummed to hear they discontinued the flatbar version here in the US. Only the SLR 2 and rumor is that next year it will be gone too. I may just have to cross the border into Canada to nab one this spring. Enjoy your next 14,000!
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Originally Posted by BikeTall View Post
Nice. Congrats. The Toughroad SLR1 is my dream adventure touring bike. I was bummed to hear they discontinued the flatbar version here in the US. Only the SLR 2 and rumor is that next year it will be gone too. I may just have to cross the border into Canada to nab one this spring. Enjoy your next 14,000!

Thanks! Yes, itís been a good bike! Since that picture, I have another 540 miles on it.
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Originally Posted by BikeTall View Post
Nice. Congrats. The Toughroad SLR1 is my dream adventure touring bike. I was bummed to hear they discontinued the flatbar version here in the US. Only the SLR 2 and rumor is that next year it will be gone too. I may just have to cross the border into Canada to nab one this spring. Enjoy your next 14,000!
Doesn't look like Giant Discontinued this: GIANT FLATBAR TOUGHROAD SLR

Oh, wait...your talking about the SLR1...oops....never mind. that bike is gone.
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Originally Posted by travbikeman View Post
Doesn't look like Giant Discontinued this: GIANT FLATBAR TOUGHROAD SLR

Oh, wait...your talking about the SLR1...oops....never mind. that bike is gone.
yeah. I can always nab the Slr 2 add racks and upgrade the components, but i really dig the color on the slr 1. And from what i hear the slr 2 will be gone next year in the US, it seems that in America at least the drop bar version sells better. But i prefer the flat bar. So does the rest of the world as the slr1 & slr 2 sell better overseas. Oh well. I was thinking of starting my tour on my flat bar giant escape across the US...and then when i fly overseas buying the Toughroad slr1 there. Sounds like a plan.
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[QUOTE=BikeTall;21272921]yeah. I can always nab the Slr 2 add racks and upgrade the components, but i really dig the color on the slr 1. And from what i hear the slr 2 will be gone next year in the US, it seems that in America at least the drop bar version sells better. But i prefer the flat bar. So does the rest of the world as the slr1 & slr 2 sell better overseas. Oh well. I was thinking of starting my tour on my flat bar giant escape across the US...and then when i fly overseas buying the Toughroad slr1 there. Sounds like a plan.[/QUOT]

I have the 2016 SLR1 and you don't miss much. I thad a 2x10 SRAM drivetrain, which I replaced with 1x11 anyway, so could have gotten the SLR 2 anyway.
some people said they replaced the SLR 1 racks (no idea if they are bad, but apparently not great)
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yeah. I can always nab the Slr 2 add racks and upgrade the components, but i really dig the color on the slr 1. And from what i hear the slr 2 will be gone next year in the US, it seems that in America at least the drop bar version sells better. But i prefer the flat bar. So does the rest of the world as the slr1 & slr 2 sell better overseas. Oh well. I was thinking of starting my tour on my flat bar giant escape across the US...and then when i fly overseas buying the Toughroad slr1 there. Sounds like a plan.[/QUOT]

I have the 2016 SLR1 and you don't miss much. I thad a 2x10 SRAM drivetrain, which I replaced with 1x11 anyway, so could have gotten the SLR 2 anyway.
some people said they replaced the SLR 1 racks (no idea if they are bad, but apparently not great)

Actually that is a possibility. I would probably replace the back rack anyway since I already have a topeak rack that a pack slides into which i like. So the SLR2 actually makes more sense to me. I know it sounds petty, but I do prefer the cool copper color of the 2020 SLR 1 tho.
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Actually that is a possibility. I would probably replace the back rack anyway since I already have a topeak rack that a pack slides into which i like. So the SLR2 actually makes more sense to me. I know it sounds petty, but I do prefer the cool copper color of the 2020 SLR 1 tho.
to me, the blacker or grayer the better. Timeless design. In 5 years black still will be black, but whatever neon green or orange or other Walmart bike color they come up with will look odd. I also have a triangle bag, so that is prominent anyway.
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True. I don’t mind getting the SLR2 and black/grey looks good. The copper colored 2020 slr1 tho is pretty sweet. Not gawdy. I think it would age just as well as the black/grey. But it’s all good.
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I am looking at this as an alternative to a drop barred gravel bike. I come from a road bike back ground but have not yet dipped my toes into the world of disc brakes. Are discs as easy to look after as rims and I hear that discs often rub and can be difficulty to align properly. Is this a common occurrence with discs or is this a bit of a myth? Or do I just need to man up and go for it
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Man up. Discs are superior to rim brakes in every way. Road bikes are all moving to discs these days also.
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Man up. Discs are superior to rim brakes in every way. Road bikes are all moving to discs these days also.
Yes i have seen that seems to be the case, the toughroad slr2 2019 is in stock close to me for £600 which seems a good deal so I was thinking of biting the bullet on something low maintenance. It just seems that the industry is now going for thru axles with discs and this model still has QR.

in the UK we have a similar bike but in drop bar called the pinnacle Arkose which can take 700x45 tyres with mudguards and this is currently £650 but this has Thru axles and I could modify to flat bars if I ever felt the need.

do you think the toughroad will go for thru axles next year?
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There are pros and cons to disc brakes, but they're quickly gaining traction (pardon the pun) to pretty much supplant rim brakes in most applications. One of the biggest drawbacks to them is the additional structure needed (in the fork, for example) to withstand the intense braking forces at the hub. Disc brakes have essentially made extinct older style thin-blade forks (that deliver excellent ride quality). The outward appearance of this (stronger forks) is a fork that appears to have thicker blades and straighter legs. Ride quality suffers if nothing else changes...other design strategies can be used, such as suspension forks or large volume tires to try to get that ride compliance back.

Thru axles should probably become the standard for disc brake bikes. Trek has a proprietary system (of course they do!) called "Thru-Skew" or something like that. It's sort of a hybrid of QR and TA, and will probably be supported by nobody other than Trek (making you use specific hubs, forks, etc.). But there are definite drawbacks with QR and disc brakes. The safety-related one is pretty easily avoided with proper installation (braking forces can eject a front wheel from a QR fork if the skewer isn't tightened properly and securely), but the dimensional drawback (sensitivity to EXACT alignment between caliper and disc) is not so easily avoided with QR. I have three disc brake bikes, and I can't reliably re-install a wheel without having to make a small caliper alignment adjustment afterward. Sometimes I can, and sometimes I can't. There seems to be too much "tolerance" in how a QR wheel/hub can go back into the frame to get this relationship perfect every time. I always have a multi-tool with me, and I will usually need it if I need to remove a wheel (such as when transporting the bike in a fork mount type arrangement).

Discs aren't perfect (no brake system is), but I generally prefer them for most of my bikes.
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There are pros and cons to disc brakes, but they're quickly gaining traction (pardon the pun) to pretty much supplant rim brakes in most applications. One of the biggest drawbacks to them is the additional structure needed (in the fork, for example) to withstand the intense braking forces at the hub. Disc brakes have essentially made extinct older style thin-blade forks (that deliver excellent ride quality). The outward appearance of this (stronger forks) is a fork that appears to have thicker blades and straighter legs. Ride quality suffers if nothing else changes...other design strategies can be used, such as suspension forks or large volume tires to try to get that ride compliance back.

Thru axles should probably become the standard for disc brake bikes. Trek has a proprietary system (of course they do!) called "Thru-Skew" or something like that. It's sort of a hybrid of QR and TA, and will probably be supported by nobody other than Trek (making you use specific hubs, forks, etc.). But there are definite drawbacks with QR and disc brakes. The safety-related one is pretty easily avoided with proper installation (braking forces can eject a front wheel from a QR fork if the skewer isn't tightened properly and securely), but the dimensional drawback (sensitivity to EXACT alignment between caliper and disc) is not so easily avoided with QR. I have three disc brake bikes, and I can't reliably re-install a wheel without having to make a small caliper alignment adjustment afterward. Sometimes I can, and sometimes I can't. There seems to be too much "tolerance" in how a QR wheel/hub can go back into the frame to get this relationship perfect every time. I always have a multi-tool with me, and I will usually need it if I need to remove a wheel (such as when transporting the bike in a fork mount type arrangement).

Discs aren't perfect (no brake system is), but I generally prefer them for most of my bikes.
Thanks for the detailed response, I think this is one of the reasons why I have not yet transitioned to discs. I like the simplicity of rim brakes as I am not the best when it comes to tinkering but aligning a wheel with rim brakes is so simple.

Comfort is also a big think for me would you say the ability to run larger tyres outweighs the harshness gained from beefier forks?

The toughroad seems a perfect bike for me but I may leave it until next year to see if Thru axles are added I also donít like the idea of using the D-fuse seatpost as I like to have a large setback as I use a brooks saddle.
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Regarding the comfort aspect, I hesitated to note it because there are so many variables in bike design and execution that influence comfort, and I don't mean to imply that disc brakes themselves ruin frame comfort. And "comfort" is such a subjective topic anyway.

By "comfort", I mean only that the older bike frame designs that many of us have enjoyed over the years don't support disc brakes without strengthening of certain aspects of the frame. The thin bike frames of yore, that often delivered a very nice ride quality, often don't work well with disc brakes because of the forces involved. Forks and seat or chain stays must be reinforced or designed to be heavier/thicker/stronger/etc. Modern materials like carbon (as in the case of the ToughRoad's fork) help to mitigate this to some degree. Carbon can be designed to have a lot of strength in one axis and a lot of compliance in another axis. But it has drawbacks as well (it seems that cost and realized durability are two of the most prominent).

Larger volume tires can certainly mitigate the harshness of a stiffer frame, but the feel will still be different. And it's absolutely not that one is better or worse than the other. Most folks will tend to prefer the feel of either a modern aluminum bike or a more traditional steel bike. Both offer advantages and disadvantages. I prefer older steel bikes for ride quality and "feel" of the bike. I prefer hydraulic disc brakes for the smooth and consistent braking action, regardless of moisture level or mud/sand/grit. Historically, those two things that I prefer haven't been found in one bike (though that is changing). Steel bikes with disc brakes are often built pretty heavy (adventure riding, like Surly bikes). Hybrid bikes with discs (like many of us have on this board) typically have aluminum frames. My dream bike is my '97 Trek 750, but with disc brakes (as long as it rode the same). That'd be the ideal bike for me. Some modern bikes are close to that. I understand the Breezer Radar bike has a relatively compliant frame and ride quality to it. Perhaps the Jamis Coda does as well (but it uses narrower tires).

The great thing is there are so many options. The unfortunate thing is there are so many options -- where do you even begin?! I'm a huge fan of test-riding a bike before buying it, especially if you know yourself to be very particular about what you like and don't like.
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Yes i have seen that seems to be the case, the toughroad slr2 2019 is in stock close to me for £600 which seems a good deal so I was thinking of biting the bullet on something low maintenance. It just seems that the industry is now going for thru axles with discs and this model still has QR.

in the UK we have a similar bike but in drop bar called the pinnacle Arkose which can take 700x45 tyres with mudguards and this is currently £650 but this has Thru axles and I could modify to flat bars if I ever felt the need.

do you think the toughroad will go for thru axles next year?
I'm not sure what Giant will do with this bike. But I do think they are missing the ball on this one on two fronts... It should be offered with thru axles and there should be a carbon version.
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Thanks for the detailed response, I think this is one of the reasons why I have not yet transitioned to discs. I like the simplicity of rim brakes as I am not the best when it comes to tinkering but aligning a wheel with rim brakes is so simple.

Comfort is also a big think for me would you say the ability to run larger tyres outweighs the harshness gained from beefier forks?

The toughroad seems a perfect bike for me but I may leave it until next year to see if Thru axles are added I also don’t like the idea of using the D-fuse seatpost as I like to have a large setback as I use a brooks saddle.
Aligning disc brakes is a piece of cake. You shouldn't let that worry you. 1.) Squeeze brake lever. 2.) While squeezing brake lever loosen the 2 brake caliper bolts...This centers the caliper. 3.) Tighten the caliper bolts. Voila!! All done.

As far as comfort...the bigger tires and carbon fork help with that.

D-fuse seat post is one of the best ideas to come along in a while I think. The seat is perfectly aligned every time.
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