Very small Strawberry track
03-30-21, 11:41 AM
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Very small Strawberry track
This and the small Paramount would make a great pair. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Strawberry-...B/384067462221
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Strawberry-...B/384067462221
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^^^^^I can't tell if those are those stamped or forged rear dropouts......if stamped, are they typical of this maker's build?
Best, Ben
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@xiaoman1 - They are not drop outs but fork ends. Track bikes do not use drop outs. A drop out is used when the wheel can be removed, then the chain. Fork ends required the chain be removed from the rear sprocket before removing the wheel. The track fork is typically flat, lending itself to a stamped part. The exceptions are for carmon and some AL frames.
Strawberry is typically a custom frame built in Portland, Or. They are beautiful constructed frames, as this exemplifies. For the Portland area, it is one of about 4 custom frame products that is on the high end of my bucket list. I would be challenged to choose between a Strawberry and Vanilla, and I don't mean ice cream!
Strawberry is typically a custom frame built in Portland, Or. They are beautiful constructed frames, as this exemplifies. For the Portland area, it is one of about 4 custom frame products that is on the high end of my bucket list. I would be challenged to choose between a Strawberry and Vanilla, and I don't mean ice cream!
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@xiaoman1 - They are not drop outs but fork ends. Track bikes do not use drop outs. A drop out is used when the wheel can be removed, then the chain. Fork ends required the chain be removed from the rear sprocket before removing the wheel. The track fork is typically flat, lending itself to a stamped part. The exceptions are for carmon and some AL frames.
Strawberry is typically a custom frame built in Portland, Or. They are beautiful constructed frames, as this exemplifies. For the Portland area, it is one of about 4 custom frame products that is on the high end of my bucket list. I would be challenged to choose between a Strawberry and Vanilla, and I don't mean ice cream!
Strawberry is typically a custom frame built in Portland, Or. They are beautiful constructed frames, as this exemplifies. For the Portland area, it is one of about 4 custom frame products that is on the high end of my bucket list. I would be challenged to choose between a Strawberry and Vanilla, and I don't mean ice cream!
You are correct I used the incorrect term when referring to the rears.....I now know the marque etc. My Paramount track bike has forged ends, the reason that I asked if the ends on the Strawberry were stamped (on my computer they appear stamped), I was curious to know why they weren't forged give the maker.
Best, Ben
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03-31-21, 02:04 PM
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@xiaoman1 - They are not drop outs but fork ends. Track bikes do not use drop outs. A drop out is used when the wheel can be removed, then the chain. Fork ends required the chain be removed from the rear sprocket before removing the wheel. The track fork is typically flat, lending itself to a stamped part. The exceptions are for carmon and some AL frames.
Strawberry is typically a custom frame built in Portland, Or. They are beautiful constructed frames, as this exemplifies. For the Portland area, it is one of about 4 custom frame products that is on the high end of my bucket list. I would be challenged to choose between a Strawberry and Vanilla, and I don't mean ice cream!
Strawberry is typically a custom frame built in Portland, Or. They are beautiful constructed frames, as this exemplifies. For the Portland area, it is one of about 4 custom frame products that is on the high end of my bucket list. I would be challenged to choose between a Strawberry and Vanilla, and I don't mean ice cream!
If you want him to do it, I would encourage you reach out sooner rather than later. It would be fantastic to have a 50th anniversary frame from him.
He has built since then but I imagine he has a huge back log after 50 years but who knows.
He's still there, open and sells tubing, supplies, tooling, machines and plenty else.
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SJX426,
You are correct I used the incorrect term when referring to the rears.....I now know the marque etc. My Paramount track bike has forged ends, the reason that I asked if the ends on the Strawberry were stamped (on my computer they appear stamped), I was curious to know why they weren't forged give the maker.
Best, Ben
You are correct I used the incorrect term when referring to the rears.....I now know the marque etc. My Paramount track bike has forged ends, the reason that I asked if the ends on the Strawberry were stamped (on my computer they appear stamped), I was curious to know why they weren't forged give the maker.
Best, Ben
I have 1/4" ti plate on my logo fix gear. A custom shape I gave the builder. After 20,000 miles and hundreds of wheel changes, it's like brand new minus a little polishing.
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SJX426,
You are correct I used the incorrect term when referring to the rears.....I now know the marque etc. My Paramount track bike has forged ends, the reason that I asked if the ends on the Strawberry were stamped (on my computer they appear stamped), I was curious to know why they weren't forged give the maker.
Best, Ben
You are correct I used the incorrect term when referring to the rears.....I now know the marque etc. My Paramount track bike has forged ends, the reason that I asked if the ends on the Strawberry were stamped (on my computer they appear stamped), I was curious to know why they weren't forged give the maker.
Best, Ben
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There are lots of different steels available in 1/4" plate including very high strength steels. Much of the structural advantage of forging happens as the plate is rolled. And for a builder, plate means that he can have any shape he wants plus a onetime purchase of plate has him set up for track ends for the rest of his building career. Forged would be for brownie points but add little to anything else.
I have 1/4" ti plate on my logo fix gear. A custom shape I gave the builder. After 20,000 miles and hundreds of wheel changes, it's like brand new minus a little polishing.
I have 1/4" ti plate on my logo fix gear. A custom shape I gave the builder. After 20,000 miles and hundreds of wheel changes, it's like brand new minus a little polishing.
Thanks again, Ben
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A Strawberry with a Joe Bell paint job. Probably the only reason it is still available is the size.
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@merziac - Had my chance and being unemployed at the time with multiple injuries from interference with a car resulting in $62K of medical, I passed.
I don't know Andy but have met him once or twice when still living in the Portland area (Aloha). I am closer to the end of my biking days than at any other time. Priorities and reality changes ones perspective.
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As for the fork ends Strawberry machined cut and tempered them in house on there track and BMX frames because of the low production.
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I always wondered why American road bike builders never caught the BMX wave.
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Much like merziac just stated... Strawberry BMX? I wonder if there’s photos of these illusive beasts?
I always wondered why American road bike builders never caught the BMX wave.
I always wondered why American road bike builders never caught the BMX wave.
Never seen or heard of such a thing.
Maybe Andy supplied the fork and or frame ends to someone, it's no surprise that he made his own track ones so not a big leap, but......
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Pretty sure these are the same ones.
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This sounds way more likely.
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