Ground pitching a hammock - ideas?
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Hammock Ground Set-up, No Trees, As One Person Tent - Tarp Tent
Another idea I like this bug net setup, facing east overhang with wood branch poles & lovely scenery.
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To the OP. I don't think that you should be using the poles from a dome tent as upright poles to pitch your tarp as a ground shelter if you can't find two trees to hang from. Those tent poles will be too light to hold the tarp up in moderate winds, particularly with your hammock also attached. They are designed to work in an arch with both ends anchored. When pitched in an arch and guyed out they are strong. They are not designed to be used as a straight pole with one end free. Also by using a section in the middle of the pole as the grounded end you risk damaging that section so that it won't join properly next time you use the tent. The ends that connect to the base of the tent/fly will have ferrules in them to prevent the splitting of the tubes.
If you want to take poles to use as straight poles to support the tarp when using the hammock on the ground I'd recommend either collapsible hiking poles or poles from a cheap traditional A-frame tent that have a thicker diameter and can better withstand the bending forces when the tarp is set up, particularly in wind. strap them along your top tube and you'd be good to go.
If you want to take poles to use as straight poles to support the tarp when using the hammock on the ground I'd recommend either collapsible hiking poles or poles from a cheap traditional A-frame tent that have a thicker diameter and can better withstand the bending forces when the tarp is set up, particularly in wind. strap them along your top tube and you'd be good to go.
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Thank you phughes. With their lifetime warranty I could email them.
Hammock Ground Set-up, No Trees, As One Person Tent - Tarp Tent
Another idea I like this bug net setup, facing east overhang with wood branch poles & lovely scenery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGXOV83DYWo
Hammock Ground Set-up, No Trees, As One Person Tent - Tarp Tent
Another idea I like this bug net setup, facing east overhang with wood branch poles & lovely scenery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGXOV83DYWo
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To the OP. I don't think that you should be using the poles from a dome tent as upright poles to pitch your tarp as a ground shelter if you can't find two trees to hang from. Those tent poles will be too light to hold the tarp up in moderate winds, particularly with your hammock also attached. They are designed to work in an arch with both ends anchored. When pitched in an arch and guyed out they are strong. They are not designed to be used as a straight pole with one end free. Also by using a section in the middle of the pole as the grounded end you risk damaging that section so that it won't join properly next time you use the tent. The ends that connect to the base of the tent/fly will have ferrules in them to prevent the splitting of the tubes.
If you want to take poles to use as straight poles to support the tarp when using the hammock on the ground I'd recommend either collapsible hiking poles or poles from a cheap traditional A-frame tent that have a thicker diameter and can better withstand the bending forces when the tarp is set up, particularly in wind. strap them along your top tube and you'd be good to go.
If you want to take poles to use as straight poles to support the tarp when using the hammock on the ground I'd recommend either collapsible hiking poles or poles from a cheap traditional A-frame tent that have a thicker diameter and can better withstand the bending forces when the tarp is set up, particularly in wind. strap them along your top tube and you'd be good to go.
I am not sure ground pitching the hammock is going to end up being used this trip though - looks like the tent is going also, as much as I was hoping to do without it.
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Good points phughes and I'd like collapsible hiking poles or drift wood along a beach or passing woodlot and fashion them using my collapsible camp handsaw & knife.
I read in the discussion earlier and wondered if trade-offs like this one kg pop up camo 2 person tent with its own lightweight backpack carry bag was of interest to anyone: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324199272330
I was reading polyester cord doesn't stretch much or any other suggestions? I'd like to replace metal cable for my setup. I questioned google, Does paracord stretch? Yes 30%.
I read in the discussion earlier and wondered if trade-offs like this one kg pop up camo 2 person tent with its own lightweight backpack carry bag was of interest to anyone: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324199272330
I was reading polyester cord doesn't stretch much or any other suggestions? I'd like to replace metal cable for my setup. I questioned google, Does paracord stretch? Yes 30%.
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I like his off the ground driftwood setup and serene settings with KennethKramm –
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Good points phughes and I'd like collapsible hiking poles or drift wood along a beach or passing woodlot and fashion them using my collapsible camp handsaw & knife.
I read in the discussion earlier and wondered if trade-offs like this one kg pop up camo 2 person tent with its own lightweight backpack carry bag was of interest to anyone: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324199272330
I was reading polyester cord doesn't stretch much or any other suggestions? I'd like to replace metal cable for my setup. I questioned google, Does paracord stretch? Yes 30%.
I read in the discussion earlier and wondered if trade-offs like this one kg pop up camo 2 person tent with its own lightweight backpack carry bag was of interest to anyone: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324199272330
I was reading polyester cord doesn't stretch much or any other suggestions? I'd like to replace metal cable for my setup. I questioned google, Does paracord stretch? Yes 30%.
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phughes, I'm not as fussy as most and bought my tent from someone else for solo cooler Spring & Fall seasons over a year ago to blend in. Use to bicycle trailer a low priced 18 foot diameter, 25 lb, Guide Gear Teepee. Had a Tarptent, Eureka Timberline scout tent and others years ago. Its fun like cycles and most else is history except my hammock.
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phughes, I'm not as fussy as most and bought my tent from someone else for solo cooler Spring & Fall seasons over a year ago to blend in. Use to bicycle trailer a low priced 18 foot diameter, 25 lb, Guide Gear Teepee. Had a Tarptent, Eureka Timberline scout tent and others years ago. Its fun like cycles and most else is history except my hammock.
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It has held up very well, but with the lower cost comes weight. It weighs eleven pounds, but, it is sturdy, sets up quickly and easily, and doesn't leak, at all, in fact, the bottom of the tent is made out of a heavy tarp like material that is completely waterproof and tough. Once again, weight. I would rather carry it, and its weight, on a bike, than a lightweight, cheap tent.
The sturdy'ness of it is definitely a bonus. Back in the day I did some research in to tents. The one I have is a Mountain Hardwear Hammerhead 2. I had a small A frame "2 person tent" that is more like "2 kids tent", if that. It went on 1 backpacking trip and that was that. I have used it camping in other scenarios besides backpacking, but for backpacking duty it wasn't well suited. Thats where the hammerhead came in. I wanted more space than a 1 person tent. At the time I had a friend of mine that had a 4 season mountaineering grade tent. So I knew what a real robust tent was. However, I was trying to cover the most bases with 1 tent. Thats when I came on to the Hammerhead. It is technically a "3 season tent". However, it has paneling that zips in to cover up ALL of the mesh - turning it in to a true double wall design, not just "less mesh". Of course, with the 2 materials and the zippers the weight inevitably goes up - but when you consider the robust'ness of the tent and the flexibility with how ever much mesh you want exposed - I don't think you can beat the versatility even today. Yea, there are much lighter tents out there - but not as versatile. Find me a true 100% double wall tent that opens up to 50% or more mesh...
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Looks like the complete tent comes in at 8.2lbs. So that is lighter than I figured. I am not sure on the accuracy of the scale, but I took several readings to see if I got a mix and did not - it was always 8.2lbs.
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That's interesting. Is there ideally lightweight, recyclable, biodegradable, mildew rot resistant, waterproof, breathable, organic cotton canvas now days? Since the 1970s I've used polyethylene between the dirt, sand, grass and my man made fabric tents. Its been a long time since I had a cotton canvas tent.
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I was looking at the specs below & your thoughts above and it would be nice to think about but no mention of cotton canvas. Is that make it lighter?
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https://www.rei.com/product/717779
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https://www.rei.com/product/717779
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It appears to my astonishment most if not all of those cotton qualities are possible now days but what about affordable tents, sleeping bags, caps and clothing for cycle touring? Count me in with a little bit of luck.
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I'm not opposed to hammocks, tarps, tents & clothing made of cotton's organic alternatives such as organic hemp or a blend to cuddle up in. Any pros & cons to share from real life experiences before or after cycle touring with today's organic sustainable natural fabrics?
Once my petrochemical fabrics wear out I'd prefer to seek sustainable organic alternatives while renewable eCycle tour camping. Since I too would like to do my part with a carbon-neutral footprint for today's future generations.
Once my petrochemical fabrics wear out I'd prefer to seek sustainable organic alternatives while renewable eCycle tour camping. Since I too would like to do my part with a carbon-neutral footprint for today's future generations.
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Mark - the only canvas-type material I am aware of for tents is the hunting/wall tent type - which is asininely heavy and not suited at all to travel by human power (cycling, backpacking).
Other than that, its all silnyon, cuben fiber, dyneema fiber, and other variants of synthetic materials.
Other than that, its all silnyon, cuben fiber, dyneema fiber, and other variants of synthetic materials.
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I often considered using a hammock tent but when I compared the weight of it to a cheap nylon pup tent the difference wasn't that much. iirc, this pup tent with poles and all weighs only 4.5 pounds.
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So 2 pounds heavier, and not as comfortable. Nice little pup tent. Does it have a rain fly? I have the REI Passage 1 tent. I will use it when I know I will have problems hanging the hammock, due to campground policies mainly. I may even take both at times, since the hammock is so lightweight.
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So 2 pounds heavier, and not as comfortable. Nice little pup tent. Does it have a rain fly? I have the REI Passage 1 tent. I will use it when I know I will have problems hanging the hammock, due to campground policies mainly. I may even take both at times, since the hammock is so lightweight.
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For rainy nights, the hammock is great, I have never gotten wet in it, and I can tear it down, and pack all my gear under the tarp very easily. The hammock stays dry and is packed away, the tarp is the last bit of gear to be taken down and packed. I love that. I can take the 3 person tent down first and sort of pack it before the rainfly, but not the gear. That is a nice advantage of the hammock set up. Both systems have plusses and minuses.
I have yet to use the one person Passage 1 on a real trip. I'm looking forward to trying it out. It is a nice sized one person tent. I do like a 2 person tent for one person, but wanted something small. This one is a nice compromise since it has a bit more space than most one person tents.
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If bugs aren't a problem, there's no reason one couldn't pitch their hammocks rainfly without the hammock. If the hammocker brought a sleeping pad rather than a under quilt, it wouldn't be much extra to bring a small ground cloth and some collapsible poles.
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I actually did my first bike-hammock trip last week. I chose my route partially based on the likelihood of finding unguarded patches of mature trees. Rural Northern Ontario, Canada might not be a representative example of everybody's campsite options, though - People are probably outnumbered by moose 5:1
If I had to resort to kludging a 'treeless' hammock rig, I don't see the value at all of trying to suspend the actual hammock - a ridgeline for the tarp and somehow connect the bug net to it, and sleep 'in' the hammock on the ground. I say this because the OP's pictures of their hammock suspended between tent poles does not look robust enough to hold a person's weight. Maybe I am missing something? Other pictures ITT show stouter poles or thick branches being used, but tent poles doesn't sound like a good option.
If I had to resort to kludging a 'treeless' hammock rig, I don't see the value at all of trying to suspend the actual hammock - a ridgeline for the tarp and somehow connect the bug net to it, and sleep 'in' the hammock on the ground. I say this because the OP's pictures of their hammock suspended between tent poles does not look robust enough to hold a person's weight. Maybe I am missing something? Other pictures ITT show stouter poles or thick branches being used, but tent poles doesn't sound like a good option.
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I actually did my first bike-hammock trip last week. I chose my route partially based on the likelihood of finding unguarded patches of mature trees. Rural Northern Ontario, Canada might not be a representative example of everybody's campsite options, though - People are probably outnumbered by moose 5:1
If I had to resort to kludging a 'treeless' hammock rig, I don't see the value at all of trying to suspend the actual hammock - a ridgeline for the tarp and somehow connect the bug net to it, and sleep 'in' the hammock on the ground. I say this because the OP's pictures of their hammock suspended between tent poles does not look robust enough to hold a person's weight. Maybe I am missing something? Other pictures ITT show stouter poles or thick branches being used, but tent poles doesn't sound like a good option.
If I had to resort to kludging a 'treeless' hammock rig, I don't see the value at all of trying to suspend the actual hammock - a ridgeline for the tarp and somehow connect the bug net to it, and sleep 'in' the hammock on the ground. I say this because the OP's pictures of their hammock suspended between tent poles does not look robust enough to hold a person's weight. Maybe I am missing something? Other pictures ITT show stouter poles or thick branches being used, but tent poles doesn't sound like a good option.
(How'd your trip go?)
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If I had to resort to kludging a 'treeless' hammock rig, I don't see the value at all of trying to suspend the actual hammock - a ridgeline for the tarp and somehow connect the bug net to it, and sleep 'in' the hammock on the ground. I say this because the OP's pictures of their hammock suspended between tent poles does not look robust enough to hold a person's weight. Maybe I am missing something? Other pictures ITT show stouter poles or thick branches being used, but tent poles doesn't sound like a good option.
Haven't left yet. Soon. I am ironing out a few things gear/supplies-wise. I did a shake-down ride yesterday and did more shaking down at the house than I anticipated - gear loading and balance namely. I have a slight tweak to the loading to work on, and will scrutinize what I take a bit more (and shift what bag things go in - back to weight distribution).
I got all the cables changed on my bike today (shifters, brakes). Got a new tail light (old one was dropped and cracked - lost the cracked piece and the rubber button strip on the shake down ride = time to replace) and a mirror today also. So that is all squared away.
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Thank you phughes. With their lifetime warranty I could email them.
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