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Old 10-26-20, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
"Most" is a big word. The vast majority of "common" people that come in to my shop think that $300 is a fortune for a bicycle. The largest part of the cycling industry - by far - is the $800 and under bracket. It really is that big of a disconnect.

Volume wise it isn't close either. If you aren't in an urban area then the idea of using a bicycle as transportation just doesn't exist in people's minds. Enthusiast riders are seen as "Lance wannabes". The general public honestly couldn't care less about cycling and still sees bicycles as something that should be in the $50-$300 range. Expensive "race" level bikes might be $1k in their world. I get it near daily.

"How much is something like that?" Pointing to workstand.
"Not 100% sure but if he had to replace it I would guess it would cost in the range of $3500"
"WTF?! You're kidding!!"
A number of times i've heard people say "nice bike, what does that cost... about $2000?"

I reply "Thanks, yes about that". They would never understand the real cost.

BTW, my wife's Specialized Roll was $700 and I didn't tell her because she would of told me it was too much.
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Old 10-26-20, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by guadzilla
2A3 guy here... I hear ya. That's the closest I have come to having Reiner and CSO playing in my living room.

But cost of materials is a very small part of the overall costs, atleast on a commercial scale.
12AX7 and 12AT7's for me. I could only justify a tubed preamp.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
12AX7 and 12AT7's for me. I could only justify a tubed preamp.
Soviet 6DJ8 were "da bomb"back in the day. And KT88 in the amp.
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Soviet 6DJ8 were "da bomb"back in the day. And KT88 in the amp.
Yeah, I remember back when people were sourcing tubes from Yugoslavia - when there WAS a Yugoslavia!
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
The 10x gap is relative, though.
Most people can easily understand the differences between a $120 bike and a $1,200 bike. There are some very clear differences in capability and performance.

The same cannot be said for understanding the difference between a $1,200 bike and a $12,000 bike, especially when the intended use doesn't involve racing.
What do you get for all that extra money? Well, you get a lot LESS!
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Originally Posted by genejockey
What do you get for all that extra money? Well, you get a lot LESS!
Weight?
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Weight?
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by surak
Another point of a sloping top tube is to allow more seat post, which adds compliance. Some bikes are meant to be ridden, not just looked at.
Hey, some people want that seat post straight up their... experience.
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