SJX426 

I am interested in your input as to how to build this frame. It came with parts but none are quite right. I have been struggling with going Japanese or European, Campy specifically.

My thoughts are to try to get close to a period correct set of components, hopefully all at the same level but may vary a little. Given the frame is not top of the line but more like 3 levels down, I don’t think it would be a good idea to put top of the line components on it, second level might be ok. I have been out of the bike scene for a number of years and have no idea how the “gruppos” line up for either side of the Asian continent.

I have limited parts of questionable value so this would end up being an investment, unless I sold some other toys to fund the build. I would like good performing components that are reasonably priced. So what would you do? This build is targeted for my yougest daughter as a present. I will be stripping it down and repaiting as it is too far gone. Decals will be added too.

sced

The parts that are on it look pretty nice. It looks like maybe a 56-57cm frame. Will it fit her?

bikemig 

Agreed; I'd recycle as many of the existing parts as possible (assuming they are in good working order). The ultregra brakes and derailleurs are none too shabby; I've always liked the American classic seat post as well. I'd be tempted to have the frame powder coated and call it a day.

SJX426 

This is the inventory:

• Hubs – Dura Ace 7 speed.
• Front Rim – Araya (? – no label)
• Rear Rim – Mavic Open Pro
  Freewheel/Cassette – Dura Ace
• RD – Shimano TriColor
• FD – Suntour Superbe Pro
• Chain – Sachs
• Tires – Specialized Roubaix
• Bottom Bracket – Shimano 600
• Cranks – Shimano RX100
• Peddles – Look Keo
• Brakes and Levers - 105 single pivot.
• Head Set – Mavic 315
• Stem – Dimension quill
• Handlebar – Scott Drop bar
• Shifters – Shimano RX100
• Seat Post – American Classic
• Seat Post pinch bolt – Sugino
• Saddle – Bontrager Informa

SJX426 

I have Cinelli stems and other drop bars, those these are nice. The saddle will have to be replaced as it is too narrow for a female. I would like to replace the crank and maybe the RD with a Suntour Superbe Pro I have that would match the FD. Just found some Suntour index DT shiftlevers too.

SCED, she is 5' 11" and has a CBM only one inch less than mine and I ride a 60 so 57 should work great!

cyclotoine

I like the sounds of a Superbe Pro build, if you keep that post and stem I think it will be a nice fit and I like the post and stem.

SJX426 

The post might be OK. It was stuck and took a lot to get out. There is 6 more inches in the frame! The stem is not to my liking. The Superbe Pro mixed with Superbe would work.

jethin

I'm no expert by any means, but I'd consider re-building it as is. Seems to me like you've got a pretty decent, if somewhat random, set of components right on there. The price would be right. But I guess that doesn't make it too much of a challenge.

SJX426 

Not really looking for a challenge, maybe more consistency. If I could trade the DA for Superbe Pro's, that would work well!

Bianchigirll 

Something looks really funky about that bike. At first I thought the fork was bent a bit, the a third look made the rear triangle looked squashed, byt the 10 or 12th look I realized even the chainrings and wheels look squashy and ovalized.

SJX426 

I felt like a clown riding it! Goofy photo editing SW! Good reason not to use Photobucket! Here is another try without editing:
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One of the reasons for replacing the crank is it was originally designed (and naturally comemorate his win) for Giovanni Battaglin himself, especially for the climb of Tre Cime di Lavaredo in Giro d'Italia in 1981.the first Pinarello with triple Campy cranks modified by Pinarello. sources say the Super Record Gruppo used for Tre Cime in the early years also had GP panto on each element. Restoration cost would be prohibitive for me. In addition. the bike he rode was KL tubing and nothing like this model except for the triples. I believe this model was available from 82 to the late 80's and was typically built with Campy Victory gruppo.

What do you guys think about the HS? Looks a bit excessive? I have a NR headset on the way.

Bianchigirll 

Is that a Mavic HS?

The first two Pinarellos I ever met were both a mixmatch affair ridden by, of course, the fastest CAT 2s in our team/club and they loved them. I sort of like beatup mixmatxch bikes sometimes they are sort of comfort food for cycling.

SJX426 

Yup 315 in good condition. No marks on the races and rotates great.

Drillium Dude 

Resurrecting this - what's the current dope?

DD

SJX426 

Thanks for the kind comment in the newbe thread! This one is currently completely diassembled. All the parts are in a box waiting to be cleaned. The frame is in a box in a storage unit waiting for attention after the Burley resurrection.


The remaining issue, other than paint and headbadge, is a stuck axle location screw. The end protruding into the DO broke off. The other end is being used to, hopefully remove it from the DO. Every visit to the storage unit includes an application of Kroil. Once I am ready to attack this one, heat will be applied as well. By then, the Kroil should have penetrated.

I am still debating on a gruppo. I keep changing my mind. I would like to keep to the country, but the bank may not be willing or I may have to sacrifice japan for italy. Every time I think Campy for this frame, I think of number 4 in the line up, a Masi Gran Corsa from 1988 or so.

orangeology

have a same frame with *full chrome fork*—in the winter project threads—and been having same struggle
between period-respect or japanese modern.

FWIW, the original was equipped with a rare Campy triple crank that
G. Pinarello mod'd himself (3rd ring bolt-on to SR crank, 53, 42, 26)
—respecting its origin, one of the most vigorous mountain race courses.

i'm putting some hodgepodge bits for a quick build for winter being, but in the path of building a all-italian,
inspired by the original setup once the weather permits.
mine needs new painting too.

good luck w your build. awesome frame!

SJX426 

orangeology, I saw your thread and leaveraged your info to search more. Interesting about the chrome fork. Mine is not painted. Pics (OCD level) are found here including those from CL ad. I don't have any that show what it looks like cleaned up. https://www.flickr.com/photos/1120948...7638854322966/


1987 appears to be the year of introduction of this model but I don't know how long the run was. My thinking is about 3 years or so.

My understanding is that Campagnolo was selling triples to Schwinn long before this date and must have had an exclusive agreement with them. Why would Pin need to modify a standard NR crank?

Drillium Dude 

Patrick, that sux about the dropout screw, but at least you've got a little bit of length to play with. Sounds like a good idea to keep hitting it with Kroil and then heat when you finally remove it. It would suck even worse to snap it off and lose any more of it!

The Burley looks cool in bare metal, btw. In fact, I love seeing frames in bare metal, period. If that had been painted, I'd probably not have realized that top tube was a single tube all the way back to the wishbone stays (that's pretty impressive!).

As far as debating parts for the Masi, well, look at it this way: you can always upgrade later

DD

SJX426 

Jeff, A stuck DO screw is the one of the worst nightmares! They are so small and long that trying to drill one out and chase it with a tap is nearly futile! It may be the last thing I do before paint.

The Burley is cool. I bought it from wrk101. The parts were all greased really well and the brake pads have not been scuffed all the way yet indicating very little use. The frame design screams low cost but ingenius using a tube bender. These are the same folks who make the Bike Friday today.

BTW: # 3 on the list is the Trek which is in white, as the gun guys say.

Upgrading over time is what may well happen. Since the Pin is headed to Seattle to be my Daughters bike, my thinking was that it might be less desirable to steal if it had a 105 gruppo, for which I now have brake set and drive train and can use with the DA wheel set. I have since learned to appreciate the AC post, so it may stay too. The stem needs more time before being appreciated!

SJX426 

My daughter really likes this color:

orangeology

i liked the fuchsia one in that photo too. getting so along with the shiny/sharpy Victory grouppo*
AFAIK, Tre Cime and Cadore models share same Matrix tubed frame with different takes on the components. (i might be wrong).
and the entire frame is fully chromed under the flaky paint job.

they say it's literally and practically impossible to figure out the logics as far as it concerns Pinarello production
—in terms of provenance, tubings, components, styles and hierarchies.

*shifters are not Victory nor Triomphe. could it be GS?

SJX426 

Didn't notice the shifters on that one! So you noticed that this one did not have a chrome fork! Mine has zero chrome. I you punished yourself by looking at my pictures, you will find two showing what was exposed by a wire wheel, raw steel. For this I am deeply disappointed. The consolation is that this is a third tier model in the line up. Minimal pantograph and no chrome.

I am really liking the Victory gruppo look, sort of Max Headroom like. I am going to be keeping my eye out for the parts and upgrading over time. BTW the Masi came with two gruppo options, Chorus and Sante with Victory in the Sprint configuration and 105.

BTW: the bike weighed in at slightly over 22 lbs as pictured above.

orangeology

yup. again, tubings and how they build the frames differs by the year even in the same model family.
guess i am lucky with full chromed treatment.

Victory is my favourite grouppo.
never 'used' on my bike so i can't speak for functionality and quality, but the aesthetic+materiality is awesome.
very different from other Campagnolo grouppos—that are usually with beautifully executed 'curves' other than sharp/straight machinery outlines.

i've collect almost 3/4 gruoppo piece by piece. mixture of Victory and Triomphe
—which is another fun riddle in Campy family.
some other Italians i.e) Modolo and ITM pieces are under consideration, too.
wanna make a spiritually Italian one.

i have a Masi, too. '88 California build 3V, frame only. currently being repaired fixing collision damages.
gonna post when done. so excited to seeing an outcome. and i have no idea what grouppo will go on it.
i've ordered brazing-on a pair of cable stops instead of shifter bosses
—the TT/DT are being replaced with new—having some modern-ish conversion in mind.

FlipBadger

I have a '91 Montello that I recently bought with a full DA 7400 components. I will restore the frame with modern part.

SJX426 

@FlipBadger - I also have a 91 Montello that came with all DA7400! It was ridden without modification for several thousand miles. Does yours have DT shifters?
P1020207 on Flickr

I have a strong bias towards Campagnolo and could not get past the mix of Japanese, no matter how good and it is good, components with Italian frame. Converted to Campy drive train and brakes but have not converted the hubs yet. The spacing was off for the DA block. Found a set of spacers for conversion and that is the way it is now. It needs the rear hub as the DA cone is pitted on the DS.

IMG_20180930_085551 on Flickr

So the subject of this thread is still hanging up waiting to be painted. I have decided on either 105 or Superbe Pro. I think I have enough of the latter for two bikes. The Trek 760 will be the focus for the Pro version.
I have since identified this frame set as Veneto.
Pinarello Venetoon Flickr

My daughter is still needing a place to store it when not ridden, but I definitively need to get on it.