John Forester
04-24-20, 07:27 AM
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I may have to ride on a MUP today in tribute.
04-25-20, 04:38 PM
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I was trying to find some of the old debates with John Forrester, here in the VC subforum , but can’t find any.
Are past threads archived ? I hope they haven’t been lost.
I did disagree with Forrester, I believe cyclists should be able to use main roads, but with convex or wide angle rear-view mirrors, video cameras, LED Lighting of equivalent lumens or luminosity to equal “legal” motorcycle lighting, loud horns, fairings to withstand “dooring”, LED turn signals, and maybe a few other things I forgot; but all tied in with enforcement, to get the buzzing, coal rolling, bottle throwing butt bunnies off the road. ... ahem.
Furthermore, I believe in a few traffic control protocols found in railroad “CTC” installations, and the V2V transponders, when those become available.
Everyone else, the elderly, women and children, handicapped, skaters, etc, and anyone who doesn’t have the $12,000 to spend on the aforementioned electronics package, should have available MUP’s or Bike Lanes.
Sorry if I sound rude.
I will miss John Forrester and his expression of his viewpoint, may he Rest In Peace.
Are past threads archived ? I hope they haven’t been lost.
I did disagree with Forrester, I believe cyclists should be able to use main roads, but with convex or wide angle rear-view mirrors, video cameras, LED Lighting of equivalent lumens or luminosity to equal “legal” motorcycle lighting, loud horns, fairings to withstand “dooring”, LED turn signals, and maybe a few other things I forgot; but all tied in with enforcement, to get the buzzing, coal rolling, bottle throwing butt bunnies off the road. ... ahem.
Furthermore, I believe in a few traffic control protocols found in railroad “CTC” installations, and the V2V transponders, when those become available.
Everyone else, the elderly, women and children, handicapped, skaters, etc, and anyone who doesn’t have the $12,000 to spend on the aforementioned electronics package, should have available MUP’s or Bike Lanes.
Sorry if I sound rude.
I will miss John Forrester and his expression of his viewpoint, may he Rest In Peace.
04-25-20, 05:46 PM
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04-26-20, 02:11 PM
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On the one hand, he did a lot of damage to U.S. transportation cycling. On the other hand, the chapter on lane control in _Effective Cycling_ remains the best explanation of how to ride a bike safely on U.S. roads as they actually exist. He was definitely the wrong messenger, and a lot of his message was wrong too, but I wouldn't be able to live my life without what he did.
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05-01-20, 09:33 AM
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I had the opportunity to work on a project with John once. I wrote an account of it here:
From ECI to PCI: A Tribute to John Forester - IPMBA
From ECI to PCI: A Tribute to John Forester - IPMBA
05-01-20, 10:15 AM
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I was never particularly impressed by his output here. He generally failed at online debate.
05-06-20, 12:42 PM
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Why did he think cycleways were bad? Sound interesting, though the part I always dread is not the lane but the intersections where people slamming through a red or tearing off on a right turn as soon as the light turns or sideswiping you on a right turn are always a possible problem.
05-13-20, 04:49 PM
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05-13-20, 04:55 PM
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I was trying to find some of the old debates with John Forrester, here in the VC subforum , but can’t find any.
Are past threads archived ? I hope they haven’t been lost.
I did disagree with Forrester, I believe cyclists should be able to use main roads, but with convex or wide angle rear-view mirrors, video cameras, LED Lighting of equivalent lumens or luminosity to equal “legal” motorcycle lighting, loud horns, fairings to withstand “dooring”, LED turn signals, and maybe a few other things I forgot; but all tied in with enforcement, to get the buzzing, coal rolling, bottle throwing butt bunnies off the road. ... ahem.
Furthermore, I believe in a few traffic control protocols found in railroad “CTC” installations, and the V2V transponders, when those become available.
Everyone else, the elderly, women and children, handicapped, skaters, etc, and anyone who doesn’t have the $12,000 to spend on the aforementioned electronics package, should have available MUP’s or Bike Lanes.
Sorry if I sound rude.
I will miss John Forrester and his expression of his viewpoint, may he Rest In Peace.
Are past threads archived ? I hope they haven’t been lost.
I did disagree with Forrester, I believe cyclists should be able to use main roads, but with convex or wide angle rear-view mirrors, video cameras, LED Lighting of equivalent lumens or luminosity to equal “legal” motorcycle lighting, loud horns, fairings to withstand “dooring”, LED turn signals, and maybe a few other things I forgot; but all tied in with enforcement, to get the buzzing, coal rolling, bottle throwing butt bunnies off the road. ... ahem.
Furthermore, I believe in a few traffic control protocols found in railroad “CTC” installations, and the V2V transponders, when those become available.
Everyone else, the elderly, women and children, handicapped, skaters, etc, and anyone who doesn’t have the $12,000 to spend on the aforementioned electronics package, should have available MUP’s or Bike Lanes.
Sorry if I sound rude.
I will miss John Forrester and his expression of his viewpoint, may he Rest In Peace.
The impediment to VC was always the mindset of the motorist that "cyclists don't belong."
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