Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Framebuilders
Reload this Page >

Custom frame Who built it?

Notices
Framebuilders Thinking about a custom frame? Lugged vs Fillet Brazed. Different Frame materials? Newvex or Pacenti Lugs? why get a custom Road, Mountain, or Track Frame? Got a question about framebuilding? Lets discuss framebuilding at it's finest.

Custom frame Who built it?

Old 09-11-18, 09:32 PM
  #1  
capnjonny 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
capnjonny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Saratoga calif.
Posts: 626

Bikes: Miyata 610(66cm), GT Vantara Hybrid (64cm), Nishiki International (64cm), Peugeot rat rod (62 cm), Trek 800 Burning Man helicopter bike, Bob Jackson frame (to be restored?) plus a never ending stream of neglected waifs from the Bike exchange.

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 200 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 59 Times in 37 Posts
Custom frame Who built it?





The thing I like best about volunteering at the Bike Exchange is discovering something unique and different in the pile of donated bikes waiting to be rehabbed.

Yesterday I spotted a Miyata 1200 sitting out front of the pile and was going to take it home when sitting nearby I saw this bike.


At once I realized it was special. The tag said it is a custom frame and It looks like it dates from the 70's . Judging from the over all condition I would say it had good care over the years . It looks to be all original with the following components


Frame with Champion decals on the down tube and forks with an arrow pantographed into the lugs and an H on one side of the top steer tube lug. No serial numbers.

Rear dropout on drive side with what may be Brev--- under the paint.

120 mm rear dropout spacing

Cinelli stem and bars

Weinman center pull brakes and levers

sugino AT crank with triple chain rings, two large and one small (haven't counted teeth).

Suntour cyclone (first model?) front and rear derailleurs

Maeda 6 speed freewheel with 32,26,21,17,15,13 tooth cogs which seem to have had light usage.

Miche competition hubs with 1 1/4 x 27 " unlabeled aluminum rims with stainless spokes and presta valves.

Ideal leather saddle with SR aluminum seat post.


The frame paint is excellent with enough scrapes to attest to the fact it was ridden a bit and everything dried out enough to indicate that it has been stored , probably in a garage, for quite a while.


Take a look at the pictures and tell me what you think. I intend to clean and polish it and maybe swap out the brakes and levers for some Suntour Superb's I have. I might also spread the rear dropouts to 126 mm and install a Shimano Hyperglide Freewheel.

I am curious what you all think about the value of a custom frame of unknown origin. Would I be doing a dis service to the bike to fit upright bars and fatter tires on 700 c rims and make it the next of my hipster series or should I leave it bone stock and possibly untouched . Like all my projects with the bike exchange it will be sold once completed. ( hint hint - anyone want to buy it for an insane amount to support our non profit?)


Cap'n Jonny (who just spent 2 weeks at Burning Man and lived to tell the tale)



capnjonny is offline  
Old 09-11-18, 10:02 PM
  #2  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 13,803

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Raleigh Pro, Trek Cycle Cross, Mongoose tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2505 Post(s)
Liked 578 Times in 443 Posts
Jonny- You do have a gem there. Unsure who built it but it has many distinctive details. The hex shaped drop out eyelets. The Diving bell cable stops. Front rack mounts on the crown sides. The "H" and arrow cut outs. Campy drop outs with scalloped stay ends on a touring geometry. Very late 1970s American. I suspect the wheels are form a later year though. I will link this onto the Classic Rendezvous list. Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 09-12-18, 04:25 AM
  #3  
Betty Swollocks
Junior Member
 
Betty Swollocks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Fork Crown

what is the reason for the bolt on the crown, is there one on both sides?
Betty Swollocks is offline  
Old 09-12-18, 08:14 AM
  #4  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 13,803

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Raleigh Pro, Trek Cycle Cross, Mongoose tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2505 Post(s)
Liked 578 Times in 443 Posts
Originally Posted by Betty Swollocks View Post
what is the reason for the bolt on the crown, is there one on both sides?



Racks can attach to these crown bolts. The above photo shows a small rack supporting the bottom of the bag. In this case the rack attaches to the brake pivot bolts though. Other racks can mount to the crown. TA was a popular brand rack for handle bar bags, when this bike was made. While I never liked the look of the crown mounting bolts it is a strong location. This is one more example of the skill and knowledge the frame builder had back when the interweb wasn't even a dream in Al Gore's mind. Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 09-12-18, 08:27 AM
  #5  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 20,121
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 528 Times in 390 Posts
i was going to say it was a Nishiki until I saw the lug cutouts. We should probably move this to C&V.
unterhausen is offline  
Old 09-16-18, 01:04 PM
  #6  
Doug Fattic 
framebuilder
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Niles, Michigan
Posts: 619
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 187 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 216 Times in 109 Posts
My guess would be Harry Havnoonian in Philadelphia. His business was called H.H. Racing Group. He started building a long time ago.
Doug Fattic is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
capnjonny
Classic & Vintage
6
09-09-18 10:08 PM
shnibop
Classic & Vintage
14
05-31-12 11:20 PM
rito25
Classic & Vintage
18
03-29-12 07:50 PM
old's'cool
Classic & Vintage
31
09-08-10 07:18 PM
LeicaLad
Classic & Vintage
97
07-25-10 08:06 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.