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Old 06-11-20, 12:20 PM
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My thing is, I started this thread to host a specific discussion: how to prevent marginal conspiracy-curious people from falling into full-on conspiracy-theorists.

From my perspective if somebody comes in to slug it out over the particulars of a particular conspiracy theory, that's a threadjack. Not to mention his tone was ruining the vibe.

I PM'd him saying if he wants to start a separate thread, I'd go participate in the discussion he wants to have there.

It's not censorship to ask somebody to start their own party if they crash your party and try to turn it into an octagon cage match
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Old 06-11-20, 12:35 PM
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This is both the functional and moral equivalent of arguing with a holocaust denier.
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>>> for every thesis there is an antithesis
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Old 06-11-20, 04:09 PM
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I was trying to say some folks just aren't worth debating.
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Old 06-11-20, 04:14 PM
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Depends on the context. There's an ancient proverb, perhaps even a koan if you will: "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself [aka pig wrestling]. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."

I think it depends on what level of influence the fool's message is having and how dangerous it is, whether it requires a public beat-down.
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Old 06-11-20, 04:49 PM
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This thread has opened my eyes.

Even people who appear to be rational will have their own pet conspiracy theories and they will debunk other conspiracy theories as nonsense, while staunchly defending their own irrational thoughts.

We are doomed.
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Sometimes there are conspiracies. Watergate was an example. I think the answer is intellectual humility, i.e., can you state specifically what evidence you would accept as a refutation of a theory? Conspiracy theories that cannot be formulated as testable hypotheses are basically vacuous. Logically, that doesn't entail that they are wrong, technically. The theory that a deity exists isn't testable, but it might be true.
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This is not specifically about Covid, but is an interesting consideration of the nature of conspiracy theories and how they have changed over time:

Edit: I just read some of jjafterdark's posts in this thread, and I am laughing as this video speaks to many of his issues, like not believing stuff if you can't see or experience it yourself, and the distrust of experts LOL! He's a walking stereotype.

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Originally Posted by skookum View Post

We are doomed.
...you and the mouse in your pocket ? I have guns, teh black helicopters won't get me.
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Old 06-11-20, 06:26 PM
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...you and the mouse in your pocket ? I have guns, teh black helicopters won't get me.
Its not a mouse.
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It's not censorship to ask somebody to start their own party if they crash your party and try to turn it into an octagon cage match
...stand your ground !!
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
... Conspiracy theories that cannot be formulated as testable hypotheses are basically vacuous. Logically, that doesn't entail that they are wrong, technically. The theory that a deity exists isn't testable, but it might be true.
>>> vacuous means MINDLESS or EMPTY >if something is empty it can't be full ... so it's testable hypothesis or vacuous ... god does or does not exist ... if you gonna play with words play the word to the word
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This is not specifically about Covid, but is an interesting consideration of the nature of conspiracy theories and how they have changed over time:
Thx for sharing that vid

However, I'm not sure I can trust that guy, he appears to be a shill for a wig company.
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I checked the London Real channel and claims by the psychiatrist posing as an expert on virology. Pretty much confirms my longtime impression that autodidacts in conspiracies are living examples of Nietzsche's warning about the abyss.

Using Google, YouTube and social media to investigate or debunk theories and conspiracies tends to have the opposite effect: it reinforces equally inaccurate theories and conspiracies. Filter bubbles will direct the eager new True Believer toward more of the same, rather than toward alternative or opposing points of view. Pretty soon it's easy to mistake reiteration of myth for confirmation of fact.
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>>> vacuous means MINDLESS or EMPTY >if something is empty it can't be full ... so it's testable hypothesis or vacuous ... god does or does not exist ... if you gonna play with words play the word to the word
It means no information content. If a hypothesis can equally explain two potential opposite and irreconcilable observations, it has no predictive power, i.e., it is vacuous.
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Beyonce is providing the covid testing the president wasn't able to. And it's free! This means she's in leagues with Bill Gates, the test is really a mind control 5G vaccine!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Someday, someone will have an independent thought.

Probably not here though.
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The Mainstream Media Won’t Tell You This

Peddle misinformation. Cry “conspiracy” when no one else reports it. Repeat.

These stories are not designed to lead to an outcome—an inquiry, a conviction, a change in policy. They exist to seed the internet with culture-war talking points. We live in a world of hollow facades.
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Someday, someone will have an independent thought.

Probably not here though.
One does not simply meme his way out of Mordor.
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Why Misinformation Is About Who You Trust, Not What You Think

Two philosophers of science diagnose our age of fake news.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/w...=pocket-newtab
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Why Misinformation Is About Who You Trust, Not What You Think

Two philosophers of science diagnose our age of fake news.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/w...=pocket-newtab
Nice article, but...

Maybe we should have something like a ministry of information to decide what’s true.
Wow, 1984 much? I hope that was delivered as a joke, and the text format just doesn't get it across

But this is very much in line with the strategy of empathy described in the OP:

A vaccine skeptic could find somebody who shares some other beliefs and sense of identity with them. Somebody who can say, Look, I understand why you feel afraid about vaccines or why you’re skeptical about them. Here are ways in which I, too, am like you and I understand your skepticism. Given this ground of mistrust, here are the reasons why I changed my mind and you could, too.
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Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever

Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone
But it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me

Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever

No one I think is in my tree
I mean it must be high or low
That is you can't, you know, tune in
But it's all right
That is, I think, it's not too bad

Let me take you down
'Cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever >>> come late june the strawberries will be ripe








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