Studded winter tires a bear to mount - don't think I could fix a flat
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when mounting 1 set recently, I feel like getting old tires off is easier than getting them back on. my tire jack isn't big enough to use on my current 2 sets of studded tires 40mm & 2.25". I carry 2 toe straps cuz they help keep one side compressed down in the channel, w/o popping off (maddening) & allowing a bit more slack on the other side. learned that tip here & it really helps. I also carry 3 types of levers including a speedier lever which, when combined with traditional levers helps enough to keep carrying it
the toe strap thing works with road tires too, of course
the toe strap thing works with road tires too, of course
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OP, what you really want is a rim that works with the tires you are riding. Rims and tires both vary, from manufacturer to manufacturer and to a lesser degree, model run to model run. What you have now is an undersized tire and oversized rim. I'm sure they are both within spec, but when pushing the limits, the end result (what you are riding now) doesn't work. (There are also loose tire/small rim combos where it is very difficult to keep the tire from blowing off.)
My suggestion: go to a local shop with a good mechanic. Ask him/her (her might be better; the mechanic with smaller hands may well be more dialed in to this issue) and ask what wheels/rims of what is available now are on the small size. Consider buying those rims/wheels to be full time winter wheels, Your tight tires live on those wheels. Being mounted full time, they will stretch out a little more. Also winter wheels save your other wheels for winter abuse and make going for those rare nice day winter rides really fun on your summer wheels and rubber.
Look at this as placating Murphy, Murphy of his famous "Murphy's Law" If you have spent the money to have wheels that make the rare winter flat no big deal, he cannot have fun at your expense. Also hard to deal with tires/flats have no place on bikes below freezing. Yes, I now hail from mild weathered Portland but I spent every winter until I was 26 in Massachusetts or Michigan and the bike was my only wheels. I rode cyclocross tubulars, in real part because the flats were so much easier to change in winter conditions. I rode in conditions (and lighting) where needing jacks and straps just to fix my tire just to get home - well lets just say "no thanks!".
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My suggestion: go to a local shop with a good mechanic. Ask him/her (her might be better; the mechanic with smaller hands may well be more dialed in to this issue) and ask what wheels/rims of what is available now are on the small size. Consider buying those rims/wheels to be full time winter wheels, Your tight tires live on those wheels. Being mounted full time, they will stretch out a little more. Also winter wheels save your other wheels for winter abuse and make going for those rare nice day winter rides really fun on your summer wheels and rubber.
Look at this as placating Murphy, Murphy of his famous "Murphy's Law" If you have spent the money to have wheels that make the rare winter flat no big deal, he cannot have fun at your expense. Also hard to deal with tires/flats have no place on bikes below freezing. Yes, I now hail from mild weathered Portland but I spent every winter until I was 26 in Massachusetts or Michigan and the bike was my only wheels. I rode cyclocross tubulars, in real part because the flats were so much easier to change in winter conditions. I rode in conditions (and lighting) where needing jacks and straps just to fix my tire just to get home - well lets just say "no thanks!".
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OP, what you really want is a rim that works with the tires you are riding. Rims and tires both vary, from manufacturer to manufacturer and to a lesser degree, model run to model run. What you have now is an undersized tire and oversized rim. I'm sure they are both within spec, but when pushing the limits, the end result (what you are riding now) doesn't work. (There are also loose tire/small rim combos where it is very difficult to keep the tire from blowing off.)
My suggestion: go to a local shop with a good mechanic. Ask him/her (her might be better; the mechanic with smaller hands may well be more dialed in to this issue) and ask what wheels/rims of what is available now are on the small size. Consider buying those rims/wheels to be full time winter wheels, Your tight tires live on those wheels. Being mounted full time, they will stretch out a little more. Also winter wheels save your other wheels for winter abuse and make going for those rare nice day winter rides really fun on your summer wheels and rubber.
Look at this as placating Murphy, Murphy of his famous "Murphy's Law" If you have spent the money to have wheels that make the rare winter flat no big deal, he cannot have fun at your expense. Also hard to deal with tires/flats have no place on bikes below freezing. Yes, I now hail from mild weathered Portland but I spent every winter until I was 26 in Massachusetts or Michigan and the bike was my only wheels. I rode cyclocross tubulars, in real part because the flats were so much easier to change in winter conditions. I rode in conditions (and lighting) where needing jacks and straps just to fix my tire just to get home - well lets just say "no thanks!".
Ben
My suggestion: go to a local shop with a good mechanic. Ask him/her (her might be better; the mechanic with smaller hands may well be more dialed in to this issue) and ask what wheels/rims of what is available now are on the small size. Consider buying those rims/wheels to be full time winter wheels, Your tight tires live on those wheels. Being mounted full time, they will stretch out a little more. Also winter wheels save your other wheels for winter abuse and make going for those rare nice day winter rides really fun on your summer wheels and rubber.
Look at this as placating Murphy, Murphy of his famous "Murphy's Law" If you have spent the money to have wheels that make the rare winter flat no big deal, he cannot have fun at your expense. Also hard to deal with tires/flats have no place on bikes below freezing. Yes, I now hail from mild weathered Portland but I spent every winter until I was 26 in Massachusetts or Michigan and the bike was my only wheels. I rode cyclocross tubulars, in real part because the flats were so much easier to change in winter conditions. I rode in conditions (and lighting) where needing jacks and straps just to fix my tire just to get home - well lets just say "no thanks!".
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sounds like a plan if you're on the road, near civilization. just don't wander off into the woods ...
while I agree, the usual type of flats are less likely with beefy studded tires, I had 2 flats with studded tires one day. & I was alone out in the woods. it happens. but wasn't from road debris.
when mounting 1 set recently, I feel like getting old tires off is easier than getting them back on. my tire jack isn't big enough to use on my current 2 sets of studded tires 40mm & 2.25". I carry 2 toe straps cuz they help keep one side compressed down in the channel, w/o popping off (maddening) & allowing a bit more slack on the other side. learned that tip here & it really helps. I also carry 3 types of levers including a speedier lever which, when combined with traditional levers helps enough to keep carrying it
the toe strap thing works with road tires too, of course
while I agree, the usual type of flats are less likely with beefy studded tires, I had 2 flats with studded tires one day. & I was alone out in the woods. it happens. but wasn't from road debris.
when mounting 1 set recently, I feel like getting old tires off is easier than getting them back on. my tire jack isn't big enough to use on my current 2 sets of studded tires 40mm & 2.25". I carry 2 toe straps cuz they help keep one side compressed down in the channel, w/o popping off (maddening) & allowing a bit more slack on the other side. learned that tip here & it really helps. I also carry 3 types of levers including a speedier lever which, when combined with traditional levers helps enough to keep carrying it
the toe strap thing works with road tires too, of course
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For one it is very hard to get a flat with a studded tire. Second, if you struggle this is because you are presumably not very effective working with tires. There is nothing to be ashamed - we all learn. This video
How to get tire off without tools
shows how to get a tire off without any tools. There may be other similar instruction materials around. I would start with regular tires for the sake of training. From time to time I do it with studded tires for practice. In everyday life I am usually lazy and use the levers for speed, but just a little. You may say that rims vary and I presumably have the easy ones. OK, I do it with 16" tires too. On a small wheel you have far less margin than on large. Take your time, be patient, hands alone are actually sufficient.
How to get tire off without tools
shows how to get a tire off without any tools. There may be other similar instruction materials around. I would start with regular tires for the sake of training. From time to time I do it with studded tires for practice. In everyday life I am usually lazy and use the levers for speed, but just a little. You may say that rims vary and I presumably have the easy ones. OK, I do it with 16" tires too. On a small wheel you have far less margin than on large. Take your time, be patient, hands alone are actually sufficient.
Personally I would not use a tire/rim combination I could not easily repair at the side of the road. I had that happen to my in 1991 and I broke a VAR tire lever and another tire lever trying to get a tight tire OFF the rim. Since then if the tire/rim is really hard to mount, I use either a different tire or a different wheel. I do not want to be stuck out in the boonies or anywhere for that matter simply because I can't get a tire off the rim - especially in winter.
Edit. If I was buying a studded tire I'd take the CLEANED wheel with me to see how easy/hard the tire was to mount.
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Different people operate under different circumstances and make different choices. The time I pinched the tube and rubbed through it, thinking that I was rubbing off ice, I was not going home but to some office. I got to my destination, took care of my goal there and then turned to the tire that I worked on in the open. I got the tube out of the studded tire, patched it, put the tire back on and continued with my tasks for the day. For all I know that tube may still be functioning on the bike without any repatching. State of mind often matters more than actual circumstances - here I wait to be admonished.
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Different people operate under different circumstances and make different choices. The time I pinched the tube and rubbed through it, thinking that I was rubbing off ice, I was not going home but to some office. I got to my destination, took care of my goal there and then turned to the tire that I worked on in the open. I got the tube out of the studded tire, patched it, put the tire back on and continued with my tasks for the day. For all I know that tube may still be functioning on the bike without any repatching. State of mind often matters more than actual circumstances - here I wait to be admonished.
When I said that he video showed a guy changing a tube in a non-studded tire in warm weather I was referring to the fact that it did NOT show a studded tire being changed in cold weather. I ride in cold enough temperatures that you do not want to be working on anything with bare hands. YMMV
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We have a nice winter weather now, but I cannot afford shooting a video on a workday. On the other hand, our weekend weather is forecast to be warmish. On the next opportunity, when stars align, I will try to put a wheel + my regular equipment out to freeze and shoot a video of a studded tire being taken off and put back on in the field. Heck, I'll try to do both 700c and 16". A studded tire is just a tire. To underscore the role played by the state of mind, when I was first putting a studded 16" on, I went into a complete panic - the smaller tires leave you well less margin to maneuver than large. I damaged the tube twice in two consecutive attempts. After I did it few more times, with more thought put in, it is now no different than large, basically deserving a yawn.
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We have a nice winter weather now, but I cannot afford shooting a video on a workday. On the other hand, our weekend weather is forecast to be warmish. On the next opportunity, when stars align, I will try to put a wheel + my regular equipment out to freeze and shoot a video of a studded tire being taken off and put back on in the field. Heck, I'll try to do both 700c and 16". A studded tire is just a tire. To underscore the role played by the state of mind, when I was first putting a studded 16" on, I went into a complete panic - the smaller tires leave you well less margin to maneuver than large. I damaged the tube twice in two consecutive attempts. After I did it few more times, with more thought put in, it is now no different than large, basically deserving a yawn.
There has been some very helpful advice and discussion on this thread. Thanks all.
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Look, I don't know what you are trying to prove, but you are missing the point. If you really want to address the concerns similar to the considerations of the OP (me), then I suggest you do the following: Ride for 2 hours at -5 °F. Then, out on some random trail or road, make a video of you easily changing your tire. With your superior state of mind, I'm sure that too will be a yawn.
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In an attempt to steer things back onto a productive track, what rims and rim tape are you using, @MinnMan?
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Studded tires are usually wire-beaded. IME, wire-beaded tires are usually quite easy to get on and off. I've used different sizes, brands, and with different rims. Never had an issue with them. Folding, tires, OTOH, are a PITA to get on and usually require me to use one of the plastic levers to pry onto the rim.
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I have a bike with rims that make all tires too tight. My solution is to use a Kool Stop Tire Jack™. It makes mounting tires pretty easy. Of course, you need a good lever to get the tire off the rim.
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What kind of rims?
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In an attempt to steer things back onto a productive track, what rims and rim tape are you using, @MinnMan?
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Pacenti. PL23, I think. They were notorious for this problem and also for failing. The rear one already failed and has been replaced.
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I was using Stans plastic tape. But that made me nervous b/c it rips easily (particularly from a poorly-inserted tire lever) and raised the possibility of flats from inside (i.e., from spoke holes). So I switched to velox. But as somebody pointed out earlier, I think the real problem is that the tires and rims are just mismatched.
But overall, I think you're right that the rims are too tight to be comfortable in this situation. Keep us posted if something else works better for you.
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Not my experience at all. Studs tear my hands to pieces when I try to mount the tires. I have resorted to using thick work gloves, like the kind used for gardening, in order to be able to manhandle studded tires without getting torn up. And this is at home; I wouldn't bother trying this roadside. (My commute is short enough that I can walk the bike back home and deal with a flat later at my convenience. I know this is not helpful advice for the OP.)
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State of mind doesn't change the fact that some rim/tire combos just don't get along very well with each other....and it also doesn't change the fact that some tires with very hard stiff casing become even harder and stiffer in very cold weather which makes the job even more difficult...When you ready to shoot your video make sure to choose a rim/tire combo which is difficult to work with and try using a brand new tire with very sharp studs and hard stiff casing.
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State of mind doesn't change the fact that some rim/tire combos just don't get along very well with each other....and it also doesn't change the fact that some tires with very hard stiff casing become even harder and stiffer in very cold weather which makes the job even more difficult...When you ready to shoot your video make sure to choose a rim/tire combo which is difficult to work with and try using a brand new tire with very sharp studs and hard stiff casing.
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State of mind doesn't change the fact that some rim/tire combos just don't get along very well with each other....and it also doesn't change the fact that some tires with very hard stiff casing become even harder and stiffer in very cold weather which makes the job even more difficult...When you ready to shoot your video make sure to choose a rim/tire combo which is difficult to work with and try using a brand new tire with very sharp studs and hard stiff casing.
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