tjspiel

I won't go into who bought it from for now. Suffice it to say that's a commonly used bike seller for people in this forum. The scratches are actually on the braking surface.

Here's a picture:




The bike came yesterday. I sent an email to their customer service department last night with the picture. I got an email back this morning. They said the scratches are only cosmetic, blamed UPS and offered to put $35 back on my credit card to make it good.

I told them that the scratches were probably severe enough to cause additional pad wear if nothing else and besides, a new bike should be in new condition. I asked for a new wheel. Am I being unreasonable? Frankly, I'm pissed that they thought $35 was anywhere near sufficient.

joshuatrio

What kind of wheel is it?

tjspiel

It's a fixed gear bike for my teenaged son. No name rims with a Formula flip-flop hub.

bikemig 

You are not being unreasonable to ask for an undamaged wheel with your new bike. But I don't think the S was unreasonable in offering $35 either. The S might well offer more if you asked.

gregf83 

The braking surface is going to get worn down soon enough and the scratches will be removed by the brake pads and grit. They're initial offer was reasonable, but it was also just that, an initial offer. If you want more, or want to start with a clean front wheel just ask. There's no need to get upset during a negotiation.

tjspiel

This is just a question. Is $35 reasonable because it's an online seller? Because if it were a bike shop I really think they'd just give me a new wheel. Now granted an LBS doesn't have to worry about shipping but that's why I'm asking the question.

Andy_K 

I would definitely want a new wheel.

TejanoTrackie 

That damage was not the fault of UPS, but due to poor packaging by the seller. Also, the normal machining of the braking surface does not grind down the brake pads the way those deep cross scratches will. Personally, I would request that the wheel be replaced. Unfortunately, when you deal with these discount sellers, this sort of thing will happen.

fietsbob

then scratches in the braking track is just a cosmetic issue..

sauerwald

Aren't brakes on a fixie just cosmetic?

tjspiel

Yeah, I buy plenty of stuff on-line and one of the risks you have to accept is that things may not arrive in perfect condition. Often I've just chosen to live with minor scratches and what not rather than go through the hassle of returning.

I also wasn't impressed that the seller automatically blamed UPS. In fact if I had to bet, I'd guess it was damaged before UPS ever touched it, - at least on the journey to my house. The carton was undamaged and I don't know how something could scratch up the rim like that without damaging a carboard box.

tjspiel

It's a fixie with a flip flop hub along with both a front and rear brake. It could be and I suspect will be ridden as a single speed some of the time.

gregf83 

The $35 is reasonable because in 6 months time, if your son rides much, there won't be any difference between your existing wheel and a new wheel. Your wanting a new unblemished wheel is also reasonable since that's what you paid for.

LesterOfPuppets

I'd expect to see some green flakes on the tire from that event if it happened while in transit.

PlanoFuji

The scratch I have pointed to seems fairly deep in the photo and I would be concerned that it might compromise the rim.

tjspiel

A few of those scratches are about as deep as the wear indicator on one of my 3 year old wheels. Those wheels are no where near worn down to that point.

I expect that a lot of the scratches and especially the damage along the edge of the rim near the tire will be there indefinitely.

fietsbob

"it'll buff out" ..
emery cloth , a few grades, no brakes are being fitted on that wheel ?,
take the wheel, out, tire off,
hand the young guy the abrasive cloth,

he may want to do something else with his time.

Andy_K 

The green paint on the rim is a more serious cosmetic issue than the scratches. At least one of those scratches looks pretty deep though. They should have told you it was a wear indicator. When that's gone it's time to replace the rim.

fietsbob

Disagree; it's been finished green then the brake track was machined smooth.

Wear lines, when provided, are in the center of the brake track.
that is where the wear happens.

not on the edge , it's just outside of the part that the paint was removed ..

Andy_K 

I was just referring to the fact that it's green at all.

tjspiel

I think maybe the picture is not doing the damage justice.

So you're proposing that I should tell my son that the money he saved mowing lawns just earned him an opportunity to spend some quality time with an emery cloth?

I'd say if anybody needs to spend time with the emery cloth, it's the seller, not the buyer. But then again I think it would be unethical to sell a rim as new when that much of the braking surface had been removed to hide those scratches.

tjspiel

Though I can't always vouch for my son's tastes (or mine) I have to say the white frame with black components and green rims actually looks pretty good.

droy45

If the box was undamaged then most certainly it was assembled by the seller with a scratched wheel. They most likely knew about it and tried to pass it off to a customer hoping they would not notice it. Otherwise I would just return the whole bike and get a refund shipping included and order somewhere else. Getting another wheel from them may cause problems as it might come in another color then you would have to return it again etc.

unterhausen

I scratched one of my rims like that and wasn't happy with myself. It could definitely start a crack depending on how thick the rim is. I would ask for a new wheel too, that's a heck of a scratch.

fietsbob

well all I can do is talk .. can't do a thing from here ,

( but question the wisdom of fixies with out brakes ) I acknowledge the Trendiness , these days..


if you had a dial micrometer you could give the depth . those scratches, an exact number to the 4th decimal point..

.. then You do it.. I cannot.