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No anonymous poster has not contributed otherwise. But I did post a link upthread to the thread & post in question.
I didn't think it prudent to blow up either the guy or his inbox with what essentially is a jumping off point for a seperate discussion concerning how we value our bikes. He is free to read & participate in the resulting discussion all he wishes though.
I reject the virtue signaling of the anonymous poster X" & I think @Maelochs was on to something in regards to status, ego, & charity.
I didn't think it prudent to blow up either the guy or his inbox with what essentially is a jumping off point for a seperate discussion concerning how we value our bikes. He is free to read & participate in the resulting discussion all he wishes though.
I reject the virtue signaling of the anonymous poster X" & I think @Maelochs was on to something in regards to status, ego, & charity.
I have been noting and wrote to the Suggestions Forum, that MENTIONS no longer appear on my usual PC, but do on my I-phone, though I did note one when posting my reply.
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I consider a $10K bike to be lavish and luxurious. I'm not about to police other people's spending, though, and there are places in life for lavish and luxurious..
If you think it's normal, though, you're very abnormal. There's a whole universe of households with total income of less than $50K/annually, and too many who take in less than $20K, including government benefits. It would be seemly to remember that.
If you think it's normal, though, you're very abnormal. There's a whole universe of households with total income of less than $50K/annually, and too many who take in less than $20K, including government benefits. It would be seemly to remember that.
5% of $50k is still a $2500 bike. Pretty squarely mid-range & close to the national average annual income. 5% (or $600) of a $12,000 annual income would in no way be valued less by that bikes owner. For that person, a $1200 bike would be the top of the 10% scale. We can gawk all day at the range of incomes for various professions in various areas of the country, but the question is purposely asked in such a way to scale to individual circumstances.
I see $10k bikes all the time. It's pretty common occurrence, ergo in my area "normal."
To draw a parallel: If I was in Silicon Valley it'd be Tesla's & in Monaco it'd be Lamborghini's & Bugatti's. In Nome Alaska or Austin, Texas, "normal" would be diesel F350's & Dodge Rams, both of which can be run up to $60k. Even if not the most common vehicle/variant, they are there & probably seen with some regularity.
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I guess the bikers in my area are relative paupers (me included). I had no idea. dave
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To draw a parallel: If I was in Silicon Valley it'd be Tesla's & in Monaco it'd be Lamborghini's & Bugatti's. In Nome Alaska or Austin, Texas, "normal" would be diesel F350's & Dodge Rams, both of which can be run up to $60k. Even if not the most common vehicle/variant, they are there & probably seen with some regularity.
What's the population of Monaco? How many people work there? How many Lamborghinis and Bugs?
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I would never spend $10,000 on "A" bike .
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I don't care if someone rides a 10k bike. I've conversed with several owners of 10k bikes, and ridden with a few (they're just people that like to ride). I don't care if people think I spent too much on my bike, and I've seen several here that think I did, some of them on this thread.
My bike, my money, my business. Your bike, your money, your business.
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This is like those old Sunday newspaper puzzles which would be something like "how many birds can you find in this picture". In this case I can at least see evidence of 19 bikes. What is the real answer?
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I guess there are two ways to look at it.
From a luxury item/want perspective who's to say how much some one should spend. People buy $50,000 watches when a $100 Timex will do. Some people live frugally and save up for that one grail item while others spend a lot on all aspects of their lives.
From a practical perspective, unless you are a professional racer, a $10,000 bike is fairly ludicrous. It's also weak. There is nothing more pathetic than soneone who says they have fine taste and prefer expensive things - like no sh_t. How uninspired can you be. "I like the best this, and the best that.." is something someone with little practical experience often says because they have no real grounding to base specific preferences on. They want what they've been told they ought to want which in N.A. is excess.
For people who are serious it would be plausible to buy a level or two above their current skill level and appear reasonable but like someone above said; if you have crap skills and a champagne bike be prepared for some well deserved mocking related to the paragraph above.
In another practical vein, the technology for bikes is pretty mature and still not at a point to warrant $10,000 builds unless it's someone's grail bike. The law of diminishing returns dictates that, for the average rider, a bike in the 1-3K range provides all the technological advantage they can utilize. If you think you need to spend > 5K because of your skills... you don't.
The problem with bikes is that they are made to be ridden but can become status symbols wherein owners or lusters argue theoretical advantages of minutiae.
From a luxury item/want perspective who's to say how much some one should spend. People buy $50,000 watches when a $100 Timex will do. Some people live frugally and save up for that one grail item while others spend a lot on all aspects of their lives.
From a practical perspective, unless you are a professional racer, a $10,000 bike is fairly ludicrous. It's also weak. There is nothing more pathetic than soneone who says they have fine taste and prefer expensive things - like no sh_t. How uninspired can you be. "I like the best this, and the best that.." is something someone with little practical experience often says because they have no real grounding to base specific preferences on. They want what they've been told they ought to want which in N.A. is excess.
For people who are serious it would be plausible to buy a level or two above their current skill level and appear reasonable but like someone above said; if you have crap skills and a champagne bike be prepared for some well deserved mocking related to the paragraph above.
In another practical vein, the technology for bikes is pretty mature and still not at a point to warrant $10,000 builds unless it's someone's grail bike. The law of diminishing returns dictates that, for the average rider, a bike in the 1-3K range provides all the technological advantage they can utilize. If you think you need to spend > 5K because of your skills... you don't.
The problem with bikes is that they are made to be ridden but can become status symbols wherein owners or lusters argue theoretical advantages of minutiae.
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If riding a $10,000 bike pleases you and you can afford it, what's the problem? Just because the OP doesn't have the sensibilities to discern the difference between a cheap bike and an expensive one doesn't mean he's right and all those big spenders are wrong. I wonder how much, in his mind, is an acceptable amount to spend on a bike? $300?
Sounds like another anti-snob superiority thread.
Sounds like another anti-snob superiority thread.
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Absolutely!!
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We're with you on that! Although we don't have the lovely room you've got them in!
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If riding a $10,000 bike pleases you and you can afford it, what's the problem? Just because the OP doesn't have the sensibilities to discern the difference between a cheap bike and an expensive one doesn't mean he's right and all those big spenders are wrong. I wonder how much, in his mind, is an acceptable amount to spend on a bike? $300?
Sounds like another anti-snob superiority thread.
Sounds like another anti-snob superiority thread.
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If riding a $10,000 bike pleases you and you can afford it, what's the problem?
The problem I see is the blindness to what is really normal.
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$10,000 seems like a lot to me, but I'm not in the right income bracket to make those choices. In real life, I know people with $10,000 bikes and those bicycles seem absolutely delightful. I also know people with $60,000 vehicles, $500,000 houses, $3,000 dogs, and $120,000 university degrees. Of those things, I would choose the expensive bicycle and leave the rest. Other peoples' choices differ, and some people have to make more choices than others.
In the end, we are all morally blameworthy - at least according to this classic 1972 article that is taught in pretty much every freshman level ethics course in the US: https://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1972----.htm
In the end, we are all morally blameworthy - at least according to this classic 1972 article that is taught in pretty much every freshman level ethics course in the US: https://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1972----.htm
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In the end, we are all morally blameworthy - at least according to this classic 1972 article that is taught in pretty much every freshman level ethics course in the US: https://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1972----.htm
Bookmarked for when I have time to read it slowly.
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The way I see it is not really can u afford it as I have a few bikes some close to ten thousand and the others in the 5000 dollar range .but I also happen to ride alot so if I'm on a bike upwards of 25 hours a week .why not do it in confort and for the most part not have to worry to much about going down a hilll at speeds close to 50 mph. I have ridden cheaper bikes in the thousand dollar range . And too me at least not the same nothing like taking the f10;dogma out and knowing it can take much more than I can give it for years to come so for me it's money well spent. Not to mention all the money I save by riding so much as not having to see doctors all the time and be on all kinds of medicine.
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How do u know where he lives as he said where he rides many ride good bikes i ride a route near where I live in North Jersey I'm sure some on here will know it. Called 9w and very commen to see 10.0000 dollar bikes with 5000.00 dollar rims guess most of them are from New York City or maybe not I have a few bikes that cost alot too. But the area I live in is far from weathty .in fact when I ride to get out of my area to get to 9w . Mostly all you see is riders on Walmart bikes
I don't bloody care where either of you ride, I don't believe that even one percent of the bikes either of you encounter are worth $10k or more. It's just bs.
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I have spotted a few $10k bikes on my trail riding, some very nice to admire
One of them was actually on his knees fixing another bikers wheel (tube) on the side of the trail, these are people to, just like "us"
Components, paint jobs, wheels, frame material, or brand can place you in your category quick... could be $100 or $10k easy
Some that spent more might answer with "buy right once" or "yolo"
I file most of my bike expenses under health both mental and physical, probably saves some people money spending $10k on a bike, thats a couple weekends in Vegas with hookers and blow
One of them was actually on his knees fixing another bikers wheel (tube) on the side of the trail, these are people to, just like "us"
Components, paint jobs, wheels, frame material, or brand can place you in your category quick... could be $100 or $10k easy
Some that spent more might answer with "buy right once" or "yolo"
I file most of my bike expenses under health both mental and physical, probably saves some people money spending $10k on a bike, thats a couple weekends in Vegas with hookers and blow
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If riding a $10,000 bike pleases you and you can afford it, what's the problem? Just because the OP doesn't have the sensibilities to discern the difference between a cheap bike and an expensive one doesn't mean he's right and all those big spenders are wrong. I wonder how much, in his mind, is an acceptable amount to spend on a bike? $300?
Sounds like another anti-snob superiority thread.
Sounds like another anti-snob superiority thread.
Who cares what other people think is the right amount of money to spend on a bike? The feed the beggar bit is a red herring --likely no one is really considering it that way except for the universally ridiculed post quoted in the op.
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How do u know where he lives as he said where he rides many ride good bikes i ride a route near where I live in North Jersey I'm sure some on here will know it. Called 9w and very commen to see 10.0000 dollar bikes with 5000.00 dollar rims guess most of them are from New York City or maybe not I have a few bikes that cost alot too. But the area I live in is far from weathty .in fact when I ride to get out of my area to get to 9w . Mostly all you see is riders on Walmart bikes