Negotiation:how much is too much?
10-25-20, 09:00 AM
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If you came into my shop looking for a discount on a 2021, I'd tell you "get bent", and direct you to the door. We don't have time to waste on punks like you..
10-25-20, 09:00 AM
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I'm telling you a simple fact. Trek doesn't have to discount any of their 2021 models right now, because they are in very short supply. If you don't buy it at full price, someone else will. I have a long list of customers waiting for bikes right now, and all of them are willing to pay full price. Some have actually offered bribes to get moved to the front of the list.
If you came into my shop looking for a discount on a 2021, I'd tell you "get bent", and direct you to the door. We don't have time to waste on punks like you..
If you came into my shop looking for a discount on a 2021, I'd tell you "get bent", and direct you to the door. We don't have time to waste on punks like you..
10-25-20, 09:02 AM
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So go for it - I wouldn't recommend that route for someone that's not comfortable with their own maintenance, but you seem to be pretty accomplished and knowledgeable. Have fun!
I have a 2018 Specialized Tarmac Sport. I have some maintenance questions I’ve been longing to ask so here they are:
1. When I first bought the bike I installed some plastic bottle cages. Unfortunately I was a tool and stripped one of the bolts while screwing them in so the bottle cage is not removable. It doesn’t make any sounds or cause any problems and the bottle cage is perfectly fine, but in the future I may want to change them for lighter ones or remove them completely. How would I go about removing the stuck bolt? It just spins and doesn’t extract. Can I do it home simply or should I take it to a mechanic?
2. The bike has a Praxis Alba chain set which has proprietary measurements and a threaded praxis BB (I think M30). It’s a BSA thread. If I wanted to upgrade my cranks to a Shimano Ultegra R8000 one, do I have to change the BB? If so, should a 68mm BSA R8000 bottom bracket work?
3. I replaced the brake cables twice now and the rear brake cable is rubbing against the plastic insert where the cable comes out from the frame. I think it’s resolvable with a sheath cap in the insert, am I thinking right?
4. The Alba chainset that’s on my bike says tighten to 40NM. My torque wrench only goes up to 20. Should I take it to a mechanic to let them tighten it or can I just ride with 20NM?
5. I tighten my brakes (rim) to 7NM because the manufacturer doesn’t provide a recommended torque for brakes and 7NM is recommended for the seatpost clamp so it should be safe. Problem is that the brakes misalign every ride and I lose power because of brake rub. Should I tighten them to 8NM or more or will this damage the carbon?
6. When I take the top cap off the stem I see another bolt that I can tighten and also screw the top cap into. Next to the screw there is a printed message saying “recommended torque 7NM”. I tried tightening it to 7NM but it just keeps tightening with medium resistance. Eventually the bolt bottomed out and it’s just there now. I can undo it to where it was before and it’s not stuck. Did I break something? Why doesn’t it tighten to 7NM?
thanks guys
1. When I first bought the bike I installed some plastic bottle cages. Unfortunately I was a tool and stripped one of the bolts while screwing them in so the bottle cage is not removable. It doesn’t make any sounds or cause any problems and the bottle cage is perfectly fine, but in the future I may want to change them for lighter ones or remove them completely. How would I go about removing the stuck bolt? It just spins and doesn’t extract. Can I do it home simply or should I take it to a mechanic?
2. The bike has a Praxis Alba chain set which has proprietary measurements and a threaded praxis BB (I think M30). It’s a BSA thread. If I wanted to upgrade my cranks to a Shimano Ultegra R8000 one, do I have to change the BB? If so, should a 68mm BSA R8000 bottom bracket work?
3. I replaced the brake cables twice now and the rear brake cable is rubbing against the plastic insert where the cable comes out from the frame. I think it’s resolvable with a sheath cap in the insert, am I thinking right?
4. The Alba chainset that’s on my bike says tighten to 40NM. My torque wrench only goes up to 20. Should I take it to a mechanic to let them tighten it or can I just ride with 20NM?
5. I tighten my brakes (rim) to 7NM because the manufacturer doesn’t provide a recommended torque for brakes and 7NM is recommended for the seatpost clamp so it should be safe. Problem is that the brakes misalign every ride and I lose power because of brake rub. Should I tighten them to 8NM or more or will this damage the carbon?
6. When I take the top cap off the stem I see another bolt that I can tighten and also screw the top cap into. Next to the screw there is a printed message saying “recommended torque 7NM”. I tried tightening it to 7NM but it just keeps tightening with medium resistance. Eventually the bolt bottomed out and it’s just there now. I can undo it to where it was before and it’s not stuck. Did I break something? Why doesn’t it tighten to 7NM?
thanks guys
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10-25-20, 09:07 AM
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Let's stop with the name calling and keep the discussion civil.
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10-25-20, 09:13 AM
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“you’re not willing to spend 3000 bucks for a bicycle? What a cheapskate!” The normalization of insane prices on bikes has got to you, hasn’t it
10-25-20, 09:19 AM
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It's really all about supply and demand. People are willing to pay more than MSRP right now, so why would any shop give you a price break?
10-25-20, 09:20 AM
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I don’t know if you live in Italy but I sure do and corona isn’t that bad. People don’t buy bikes anymore like they did 6 months ago. That bike has been in display since June and if it’s still there then I’m gonna go ahead and assume demand for 3000 dollar bikes isn’t at a sky high level.
10-25-20, 09:22 AM
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You'll be lucky to find a legit brand Ultegra bike for $3000. Shops should be open tomorrow, let us know what the Trek dealer has to say.
10-25-20, 09:31 AM
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I don’t know if you live in Italy but I sure do and corona isn’t that bad. People don’t buy bikes anymore like they did 6 months ago. That bike has been in display since June and if it’s still there then I’m gonna go ahead and assume demand for 3000 dollar bikes isn’t at a sky high level.
10-25-20, 09:43 AM
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Hey, if you don't ask the answer is NO.
But be prepared to be told the price is the price.
But be prepared to be told the price is the price.
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Until the bike needs a pressfit BB replaced. Shops around here due to the huge crush of service jobs stopped taking in bikes from non customers. Online bikes do not always come ready to ride. Someone will need to make the proper adjustments to get it on the road. Those are just a few reasons to support local bike shops.
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10-25-20, 09:50 AM
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Until the bike needs a pressfit BB replaced. Shops around here due to the huge crush of service jobs stopped taking in bikes from non customers. Online bikes do not always come ready to ride. Someone will need to make the proper adjustments to get it on the road. Those are just a few reasons to support local bike shops.
10-25-20, 09:50 AM
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If the shop is hurting for cash, he might get a good deal, but I wouldn't expect it.
Be sure to bring cash. There's a good chance the shop needs to pay for the use of credit cards.
10-25-20, 09:50 AM
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It's not an insult, it's just not realistic to expect a price break at this time in the US.
+1
If the shop is hurting for cash, he might get a good deal, but I wouldn't expect it.
Be sure to bring cash. There's a good chance the shop needs to pay for the use of credit cards.
+1
If the shop is hurting for cash, he might get a good deal, but I wouldn't expect it.
Be sure to bring cash. There's a good chance the shop needs to pay for the use of credit cards.
