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Ceramic Drive Lines
A new type of drive line might be more efficient then what you are using today. https://www.bicyeramic Drive Linescling.com/bikes-gear/a22092182/ceramicspeeds-driven-concept-might-become-the-worlds-most-efficient-drivetrain/
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"The system is still very much in prototype phase, and Smith said CeramicSpeed would likely partner with another company if it ever brings it to market. While the system met the design goal of reduced friction, other challenges and advantages of the system have not been fully explored, he said. "
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/prod...e-report-day-1
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/prod...e-report-day-1
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Wow, well your link was wonky AF, but I found the article. I would like to see it in motion for curiosities sake, but the article makes a good point about wether a 3% efficiency gain is worth dumping cash into (probably not for me, I'm cheap).
I might be showing my ignorance here, but I've never seen anything like this. In fact, outside of a motorcycle I've never seen a shaft driven bicycle. IN FACT, I saw a belt driven bike cycle in the wild for THE FIRST TIME last week and I've been cycling for +15 years!!!
I should get out more...
I might be showing my ignorance here, but I've never seen anything like this. In fact, outside of a motorcycle I've never seen a shaft driven bicycle. IN FACT, I saw a belt driven bike cycle in the wild for THE FIRST TIME last week and I've been cycling for +15 years!!!
I should get out more...
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Very interesting! However my brain keeps saying "cheese grater". I would like to see it succeed.
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Thanks for posting the vid! I'd want a cable pull system, unless... Could the efficiency gains make a dynamo hub setup even more effortless? Maybe as long as the wheels are spinning you'd have power and not need to replace batteries? Ah, but then you're back to the old chain driven conical cassette once you start down that path...
Nope I'm back to the good ole cable pull non electronic shifting.
It'd be interesting to see how it handles shifting. I also wonder which setup can better resist shearing forces, the conical or the flat cassette?
These forums will be alot less fun if people can't get into arguments about which chain lube method is better than any other and why everyone else is wrong! Wrong! WRONG!
Nope I'm back to the good ole cable pull non electronic shifting.
It'd be interesting to see how it handles shifting. I also wonder which setup can better resist shearing forces, the conical or the flat cassette?
These forums will be alot less fun if people can't get into arguments about which chain lube method is better than any other and why everyone else is wrong! Wrong! WRONG!
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But hey, we'd get to have a whole new category of shaft-roller-lube flame wars
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Great idea! I'm sure there's some part of it to argue about here, and if there isn't one can be fabricated.
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But should it be fabricated in carbon fiber? Or CNC-machined out of aircraft-grade titanium? Or lugged/silver-brazed steel?
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To me it's marketing wank. Not practical, and doesn't bring anything to the table other than "its new".
Refinement of IGH tech would be nice. But it doesn't cause any buzz so obviously it won't happen
Refinement of IGH tech would be nice. But it doesn't cause any buzz so obviously it won't happen
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When I consider the pros and cons of internally geared mechanisms, I have this impression that it's a) heavier b) difficult to repair or modify and c) not as efficient or robust as an external hub (note I said "impression" I'm willing to be educated here).
The pros, on the other hand, is having a chain that doesn't shuttle around back there is appealing in it's simplicity. I'm sure there are others but for me it boils down to simplicity in maintenance and use.
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maybe more difficult to repair, but because it's enclosed and sealed, also less likely to need repair.
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Wow, well your link was wonky AF, but I found the article. I would like to see it in motion for curiosities sake, but the article makes a good point about wether a 3% efficiency gain is worth dumping cash into (probably not for me, I'm cheap).
I might be showing my ignorance here, but I've never seen anything like this. In fact, outside of a motorcycle I've never seen a shaft driven bicycle. IN FACT, I saw a belt driven bike cycle in the wild for THE FIRST TIME last week and I've been cycling for +15 years!!!
I should get out more...
I might be showing my ignorance here, but I've never seen anything like this. In fact, outside of a motorcycle I've never seen a shaft driven bicycle. IN FACT, I saw a belt driven bike cycle in the wild for THE FIRST TIME last week and I've been cycling for +15 years!!!
I should get out more...
I have to wonder if there is a way to radial "adjust" the interface between the shaft bearing and the chainring or cassette to vary the gear ratio. Perhaps NuVinci (sp) has something that could be used, (They make the variable speed IGH. The mechanics are quite proprietary and I have never seen them.)
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Look closely at that video, the 'rear shaft bearing' slides on a fixed rod so it can engage with a ring of teeth that are at various radii.
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This resonates with me
When I consider the pros and cons of internally geared mechanisms, I have this impression that it's a) heavier b) difficult to repair or modify and c) not as efficient or robust as an external hub (note I said "impression" I'm willing to be educated here).
The pros, on the other hand, is having a chain that doesn't shuttle around back there is appealing in it's simplicity. I'm sure there are others but for me it boils down to simplicity in maintenance and use.
When I consider the pros and cons of internally geared mechanisms, I have this impression that it's a) heavier b) difficult to repair or modify and c) not as efficient or robust as an external hub (note I said "impression" I'm willing to be educated here).
The pros, on the other hand, is having a chain that doesn't shuttle around back there is appealing in it's simplicity. I'm sure there are others but for me it boils down to simplicity in maintenance and use.
I really wish rohloff would make a '75%' version. One that's just as efficient as a 500/14, but a tad heavier and less durable for $800-900. This would likely get them on oem's so we can squash the whole idea that derailers are the best we got for bicycles.
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See also this new technology:
https://pinion.eu/en/p-line/technology/
But requires a special frame with a compatible bottom-bracket shell.
https://pinion.eu/en/p-line/technology/
But requires a special frame with a compatible bottom-bracket shell.
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Never gonna fly
I think that Ceramic Speed prototype has a major design flaw/constraint - the high gears are too far apart.
If the radius of those cassette teeth rings are say 1 cm increments, the diameter increments will be about 6cm (2 pi) - way too big a jump for the small "cogs".
Might be ok for a utility bike, but for racing and high performance - not gonna fly.
If the radius of those cassette teeth rings are say 1 cm increments, the diameter increments will be about 6cm (2 pi) - way too big a jump for the small "cogs".
Might be ok for a utility bike, but for racing and high performance - not gonna fly.
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My question on this thing is, how does the cassette not flex towards the spokes under load? I’m betting there is an answer, I just haven’t seen it.
Any other objection I’ve been able to summon up is pretty trivial. Obviously it’s going to be expensive but people are already buying those 1-piece SRAM cassettes.
Any other objection I’ve been able to summon up is pretty trivial. Obviously it’s going to be expensive but people are already buying those 1-piece SRAM cassettes.
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Yeah, the flatness of the 'cassette' seems to imply it will lack the 3D rigidity gained by a pyramid structure. That's certainly something for their mechE's to consider.
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I think they'd stir up much more interest if they would post a video of it in action. Maybe I'm missing something, but in all the online articles I've read about this thing, I haven't seen one video yet.
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There’s going to be some sliding friction from the teeth not following a straight track against the bearing races. Will that wear faster than a chain?
How long will the exposed ball bearings stay clean and smooth facing the spray from the front tire? Even if they get seals.
I think the ratio problem isn’t too bad. It looks bigger than half inch pitch, maybe like the ones in an RC car front wheel, so the spacing of a one tooth shift should be wider than a bearing.
How long will the exposed ball bearings stay clean and smooth facing the spray from the front tire? Even if they get seals.
I think the ratio problem isn’t too bad. It looks bigger than half inch pitch, maybe like the ones in an RC car front wheel, so the spacing of a one tooth shift should be wider than a bearing.
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I don't think this particular one off idea will go anywhere but stuff like this is part of innovation and I'm glad people are thinking out of the box a little bit
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always rides with luggage
All of those pretty rollers won't be 99% efficient after a few days of road grime.
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