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Gaining 4mph Without Fitness

Old 08-05-19, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I am just impressed that the OP has got 174 responses out of his first and only troll/post.
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Originally Posted by Debo3osu View Post
I see a lot of people asking how to make their bike faster and everyoneís response is always ďget more fitĒ or ďbe more aero.Ē Thatís great and all, but my fitness hasnít changed much but Iím 4mph faster on average. How? Hint: It will take $ but can be done.

Background: Got into road cycling 3 years ago for a charity ride, bought a cheap aluminum Motobecane junker with aluminum spd pedals. Felt like it weighed 30 pounds. Averaged 15mph on a good day and 16mph if I really pushed it.

After my wife finished several minutes ahead of me on her ultralight S-Works I decided that would never happen again.

Step 1: Get a carbon bike. Any carbon bike will add 1mph simply because it is lighter and has better power transfer.

So you can gain ~1mph just by getting any carbon bike.

Step 2. Donít get just any carbon bike. Get a NICE carbon bike. Lightweight. Aero. Great components. Carbon wheels. These will run you $5-10k. I got the Canyon Endurace SLX 9 with SRAM Red eTap. Definitely wasnít cheap, but added another 1mph because of further weight reduction and better components.

So far Iíve added ~2mph simply by spending money. This is a much better solution than getting fit.

Step 3: Replace anything that isnít carbon with carbon. This includes seatpost, stem, bar, saddle, cranks and pedals. I only had to change a few things as the Canyon was already set up pretty well. I got the Specialized Power Pro carbon saddle with titanium rails (Canyon setup wouldnít take larger carbon rails), carbon cages, and Dura Ace pedals. Again, the carbon not only reduces weight but also reduces vibration and increases rider comfort and power transfer.

Step 4: Get lightweight carbon shoes with SPD-SL red clips (0 degrees of motion) that fit correctly and have them set up professionally to ensure maximum power transfer (carbon on carbon) and no knee injuries.

Steps 3 and 4 added about 0.5mph.

Step 5: Get a complete proper fitting. You may want to do this before buying new bars, stem, etc. I had to get a new Canyon aerobar to fit me properly. Also make sure you have the right saddle width. The right setup will increase your power transfer and reduce injury.

Step 6: Improve your technique (independent of fitness). Get a power meter, cadence meter and speed meter and integrate with Garmin Edge. Read articles about technique and use these tools to improve.

Steps 5 and 6 add another 0.5mph. Weíre now at a 3mph improvement.

Step 7: Get fast tires. Specifically, focus on rolling resistance but also factor in puncture resistance so that you have confidence at speed. Tubes or tubeless, your choice. I like tubes and run 50g Conti butyl tubes with Conti 5000 tires. Canít go wrong. The Specialized Cotton Turbo is also a good choice. Go wide (25-28) and keep at the ideal psi (plenty of articles out there based on your tire).

Step 8: Adjust your brake levers. Youíll have a lot more confidence during high-speed descents if the levers are at your fingertips. If you canít figure it out take it to your LBS.

Step 9: Keep your bike clean, especially the chain and gears. Plenty of good stuff out there, I like Park Toolís cleaner. Clean chains = fast bike.

Step 10: Get aero. Wind resistance is your biggest enemy at speed. In addition to getting an aero bike, get form-fitting jerseys and shorts (Iím a huge fan of Pearl Pros), a light aero helmet, aero gloves, and socks. Learn to get in an aero position during sprints/descents. If you really want to get crazy and shave your body, go for it. Get rid of that bulky seat post bag and only carry what you need. I use Specializedís integrated SWAT Road Bandit tube holder. Saves weight and lost energy through things jostling. Get light bottles and only carry them if you need them.

Boom, there you have it. Those last items add 1mph for a total gain of 4mph. I was averaging 19mph easy and 20mph when I really got after it. And that is solo. Plus, it made me love riding so much that Iíve also improved fitness and have added an extra 1-2mph. Now I blow by the clowns in the peloton with their dumb time trial bikes and helmets and matching jerseys. Yeah, my endurance bike just spit gravel in your face. My wife wonít even ride with me anymore because Iím miles ahead in a matter of minutes.

So there you have it. 3 years ago Iím a 40 year old golfer that thought biking was for losers, now Iím at the front of grand fondos.

Canít afford all this stuff? Not my problem. Stop wasting time doing nonsense and do something with yourself so that you can buy nice things on a whim. Or just work on your fitness I guess.
Wow! I am so impressed! King of the cyclists!
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Old 08-05-19, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I am just impressed that the OP has got 174 responses out of his first and only troll/post.
Is that a record?
He didn't even have to feed it along the way.
They say one of the trademarks of a master troll is posting only the first post and let the thread grow, don't showing up again.

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Old 08-05-19, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I am just impressed that the OP has got 174 responses out of his first and only troll/post.
Is that a record?
He didn't even have to feed it along the way.
This.
Shame on all of the fools that tried to respond in a serious manner
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Old 08-05-19, 10:12 PM
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He can't be bothered to follow up, too busy riding at the front of all the grand fondos.
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I am just impressed that the OP has got 174 responses out of his first and only troll/post.
Is that a record?
He didn't even have to feed it along the way.
But it took 63 post for someone to think it might be a serious thread.



A great troll involves people taking the post seriously. This one was sniffed out with the first response.

#trollfail
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Old 08-05-19, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
This.
Shame on all of the fools that tried to respond in a serious manner
I love this one.

"Jesus. The guy posts up his step by step evolution and ascribes his gains (rightly or wrongly) to the changes and people want to kick his ass? I wonder why BF has the reputation it has?"
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
I love this one.

"Jesus. The guy posts up his step by step evolution and ascribes his gains (rightly or wrongly) to the changes and people want to kick his ass? I wonder why BF has the reputation it has?"
ďNow I blow by the clowns in the peloton with their dumb time trial bikes and helmets and matching jerseys. Yeah, my endurance bike just spit gravel in your face. My wife wonít even ride with me anymore because Iím miles ahead in a matter of minutesĒ
This is his own summation of what you are referring to as his Ďstep by step evolutioní
Shame on you.
Who said they wanted to kick his ass btw?
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I am just impressed that the OP has got 174 responses out of his first and only troll/post.
Is that a record?
He didn't even have to feed it along the way.
Successful troll is successful.

Hook, Line Sinker.

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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
“Now I blow by the clowns in the peloton with their dumb time trial bikes and helmets and matching jerseys. Yeah, my endurance bike just spit gravel in your face. My wife won’t even ride with me anymore because I’m miles ahead in a matter of minutes”
This is his own summation of what you are referring to as his ‘step by step evolution’
Shame on you.
Who said they wanted to kick his ass btw?
You do realize that I’m quoting a post from this thread, right?

Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
Jesus. The guy posts up his step by step evolution and ascribes his gains (rightly or wrongly) to the changes and people want to kick his ass? I wonder why BF has the reputation it has?

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Old 08-06-19, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
You do realize that Iím quoting a post from this thread, right?
Ooh crap. Iím sorry, my bad 😘
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Old 08-06-19, 03:42 PM
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This is easy.

Typical ride on an '86 Stumpjumper: 15 mph avg (37 lbs)
Typical ride on a Schwinn Letour: 17 mph (31 lbs)
Typical ride on 7: 20 mph (17.5 lbs and training clinchers)


No dogging it at any time. 5 mph gain, same fitness, similar rolling hill course.
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Old 08-06-19, 04:01 PM
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^ And it successfully rolls along....
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I totally agree. Good old steel
When I was in better shape, I could average close to 20mph on an old 1986 steel Le Circuit (about $200) in baggies and a loose t-shirt. I used to ride with guys who sported lighter an far more expensive bikes and in spite of the equipment could not keep up for any period of time.
If you are racing and need to shave every bit of time off, I could see it. For regular riding, steel is fine.

Let's have some fun:
Shaving all exposed body hair including eyebrows might help as well. Thinking of it, a complete body shave might save a few grams. Also: filling the tires with helium might help. Evacuating bowels and bladder a few grams. No water bottle (water is heavy). Aerogel helmet etc. Keeping anything that flaps including one's lips could also decrease drag.

Wow.
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Old 08-11-19, 11:24 PM
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Nice bike. I'd be proud to ride that.
Tuck down and it will move.
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Old 08-11-19, 11:39 PM
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Step 5 should be before Step 1. Buying a $10,000 bike that might not fit is dumb. Might have worked for the OP but not a formula for success.
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Originally Posted by jstork View Post
Let's have some fun:
Shaving all exposed body hair including eyebrows might help as well. Thinking of it, a complete body shave might save a few grams. Also: filling the tires with helium might help. Evacuating bowels and bladder a few grams. No water bottle (water is heavy). Aerogel helmet etc. Keeping anything that flaps including one's lips could also decrease drag.

Wow.
Teeth. Teeth are heavy. You need a couple to pop open your bottle valve and rip open a gel but the rest are just dead weight.
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Teeth. Teeth are heavy. You need a couple to pop open your bottle valve and rip open a gel but the rest are just dead weight.
That second kidney weighs 150 g. Why not sell it?
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Originally Posted by znomit View Post
This is great advice. I'll add you can buy the roading company and get them to put smoother asphalt on your favourite routes. That should run you $30-40million but worth 1mph so why wouldn't you?
Or goto a indoor track at high altitude
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That second kidney weighs 150 g. Why not sell it?
I removed my pedals and shoes and just tape my feet to the cranks. Dave
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Bones are heavy. How many ribs do you really need?
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I removed my pedals and shoes and just tape my feet to the cranks. Dave
This is genius, because that was rotating weight.
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This is genius, because that was rotating weight.
Thatís only true if heís pedalling in circles.
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That second kidney weighs 150 g. Why not sell it?
and use the money for some Meilenstein Obermayer wheels
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and use the money for some Meilenstein Obermayer wheels
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