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Old 08-15-19, 08:32 AM
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I raced what is most-likely my final TNR (Tuesday Night Racing) at the San Diego Velodrome last week. Season ends in October. I'll show up to volunteer (lap cards) or hang out but I want to take it easy. I was reluctant to race last week, but I won the final 12 km scratch race!



On my left - Wolfgang (Alex) Lochmiller - Current Junior National Champ (forget which events). On my right - Taylor Warren - Former Pro roadie, current cat 1 elite USA Crits racer


Wolfgang attacked on lap 1 as he does some times just to shake it up. Collective groans from the field (15 strong) were heard. I chased and caught up a couple laps, and we're trading 1/2 lap pulls, wondering how long this will last. Taylor bridges up and then it started to settle in that this could work, and that it would hurt starting this early...

The field got close a couple times, but eventually weaker riders started popping OTB of the field and the coordination was disrupted, and we were gone. Taylor took a couple full lap pulls which was greatly appreciated.

With about 10 laps to go we were closing in and were going to lap the field, when Taylor attacks us and goes straight through the field. There was no way I had this in the tank so I recovered on the back. Wolfgang hesitated a minute and then bridged up, but the two of them were not able to stay clear a second time. They burned quite a bit of matches trying to do that again and were understandably toasted for the final sprint, which I won outright, even though the riders I beat were racing for 4th.

Good times! I will now resume my off-season mode of commuting, maybe riding once on the weekend (or not), and doing some swimming, hiking and jogging.
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Old 08-15-19, 08:52 AM
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@TMonk Booya. Great way to conclude the season. And I really like stealing the kids candy. Not so easy to do.
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Old 08-15-19, 09:23 AM
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Awesome job tmonk! Enjoy your off season.
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Originally Posted by TMonk View Post
I raced what is most-likely my final TNR (Tuesday Night Racing) at the San Diego Velodrome last week. Season ends in October. I'll show up to volunteer (lap cards) or hang out but I want to take it easy. I was reluctant to race last week, but I won the final 12 km scratch race!
'grats
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Old 08-15-19, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
Another A crit on the technical short course. I did a little bit better in terms of taking longer to get dropped and doing better in the corner. But ultimately I was dropped within about 8 minutes. I suck at cornering.
Cornering is alot like being a hit man; you probably know how to do but you suck at it because something in your head tells you to stop. I have the same issue.

You're also more than likely bad in the context of who you're racing against (great bike handlers).

I asked 3x CX Champion about cornering and his recommendation for road was to ride around a baseball diamond (in MTB padding) and go progressively faster. Seems good as most bad cornerers are afraid of pushing their limits and this mitigates that fear factor.
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Old 08-15-19, 11:10 PM
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On a road bike or mountain bike?
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Old 08-16-19, 06:27 AM
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Listen to the pro and consider non-surgical management.
Shoulder specialist saw my x-rays and scheduled my surgery. Apparently my break is big enough to justify the surgery.
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Old 08-16-19, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
On a road bike or mountain bike?
Ideally a CX, but any bike works. Something you'd be okay putting in the the dirt.
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Shoulder specialist saw my x-rays and scheduled my surgery. Apparently my break is big enough to justify the surgery.
Good luck topflightpro.
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Had my surgery today. Went well, though the anesthesia kind of kicked my but.

Anyway, turns out my clavicle was broken into six pieces. Took some effort to really put it all back together.

Doc said I should recover well.
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Did the technical A crit again, and again was dropped early. When I caught on a lap down, I stayed on for a fairly long time. I'm getting better at the turns, but I still am not very good. Was gapped and eventually dropped again. When the breakaway came around for the last time, I accelerated to film it, on the last lap. The 4 guys in the break include 1) masters state crit champ current, and former pro in Europe, 2) former pro, multi time national and world amateur champion, 3) current winner of one of the cat 1 Tulsa Tough races this year, and 4) another guy that has won many of the A crits locally this year.
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What are you looking at during your turns?

That doesn't look particularly technical. It appears to mostly be wide open, flat, 90-degree turns, though video can distort it?
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
What are you looking at during your turns?

That doesn't look particularly technical. It appears to mostly be wide open, flat, 90-degree turns, though video can distort it?
it's a half mile course with 6 turns. I'm a cat 3, and I'm fine with C and B crit speeds on this course. The A crit speeds are much higher, and I'm uncomfortable turning at those speeds. For you experienced guys, it's easy and normal. For me, it's tough. I did better last night. For example, once I turned acutely and fast enough that my show scraped the pavement (must have been pedaling through that one). One junior racer in the A crit last night had a pedal strike and dumped it on the concrete. I try to look at the apex of the turn.
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Glad the surgery went well topflightpro. Hope the recovery isn't too bad.
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
it's a half mile course with 6 turns. I'm a cat 3, and I'm fine with C and B crit speeds on this course. The A crit speeds are much higher, and I'm uncomfortable turning at those speeds. For you experienced guys, it's easy and normal. For me, it's tough. I did better last night. For example, once I turned acutely and fast enough that my show scraped the pavement (must have been pedaling through that one). One junior racer in the A crit last night had a pedal strike and dumped it on the concrete. I try to look at the apex of the turn.
btw, here's a crash in a turn that happened during the race. The video is from my teammate.

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I did the last Tuesday PIR Cat 1/2/3 race of the season, and the last road race for me (17 lap points race on a 1.9 mi auto race track). It was a meh race. I popped up to the front and tried to get in a break 3 times, but none of them really broke the elastic and I didn't have the legs to go with counter attacks as they went. I worked my way near the front with 2 to go, then with 1/2 lap to go I jumped on an attackers wheel. The whole pack stayed with us and when the attacker pulled over and slowed I ended up on front, with my team's best sprinter on my wheel with about 700 meters to go which was way too early. I gave it what I had, but with 400m to go or so a group came by moving much faster than I could hold and as I faded it forced my sprinter to come around me, which was much too early for him. So, I'm happy I got forward and in the mix at the end, but didn't have the legs and the timing to help the team to a good finish. End of road season. Looking forward to CX.
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
btw, here's a crash in a turn that happened during the race. The video is from my teammate.
Looks like a clipped pedal caused the rear wheel to slide. Then the rider tried to correct and went high side. It could be the sliding wheel caught a crack or something in the pavement sending him high side. Always hard to watch a crash. Hope the grass was soft enough that he came out with just scrapes.
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Looks like a clipped pedal caused the rear wheel to slide. Then the rider tried to correct and went high side. It could be the sliding wheel caught a crack or something in the pavement sending him high side. Always hard to watch a crash. Hope the grass was soft enough that he came out with just scrapes.
Yep, looks like they catch a pedal and slide, save it but the sudden grip high sides them. Almost rode it out thoug .
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
Had my surgery today. Went well, though the anesthesia kind of kicked my but.

Anyway, turns out my clavicle was broken into six pieces. Took some effort to really put it all back together.

Doc said I should recover well.
the good news is youíre on the way to recovery! i remember thinking Iíd never get back to where I was fitness-wise, etc, but I always seem to come back stronger. Iím sure you will too.

good luck with the recovery, donít get too bored. between the Vuelta & Audible you should be ok right?
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Not road racing. But not so may that read MTB and it could happen on road.
Junior continues with his equipment challenges. Just happened today in a MTB race (Granby Ore Digger)
So far the stock stuff has proven to break more than the trick stuff.
He also continues to stay upright, which I'm thankful for. He did not finish the race.
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Not road racing. But not so may that read MTB and it could happen on road.
Junior continues with his equipment challenges. Just happened today in a MTB race (Granby Ore Digger)
So far the stock stuff has proven to break more than the trick stuff.
He also continues to stay upright, which I'm thankful for. He did not finish the race.
Interesting location. Too tight on the clamp for the lever? Or just where the defect was.
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Interesting location. Too tight on the clamp for the lever? Or just where the defect was.
Levers can twist on bars with hand force. They were not too tight. Going carbon bars next time (like dad said 1st time).
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I have seen carbon bars break also.
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I have seen carbon bars break also.
I've seen seat posts, bars, rims clean snap a few times. Carbon I have seen break, but never a snap. They get soft, crack but seems there is more warning.
Obviously everything should be properly engineered for the purpose. Equipment should not break outside a crash, mis-install, or a really large rider.
If they sell it as racing stuff - it should not break when used by racers, in a race. There seems to be an issue that since most consumers that buy racing stuff don't use that stuff in a race, the mfg likes to sell for things folks buy. Weight, color, brand. Just that when in a non-crash you can break parts off the bike (as mentioned, not the first time), that is not a good thing. Maybe there should be labels, "No, really OK to race with this".

I was pushing he get the Extralite bars as a replacement. They do 25.4 as they argue the thickness and stem/bar angles are better. They also weigh under 100g. All their stuff is way lighter and sturdier in our experience.
Anyway they were too narrow, so I think we went with an ENVE carbon bar. I do not expect any more bar issues, however I do expect something else.
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I've seen seat posts, bars, rims clean snap a few times. Carbon I have seen break, but never a snap. They get soft, crack but seems there is more warning.
Obviously everything should be properly engineered for the purpose. Equipment should not break outside a crash, mis-install, or a really large rider.
If they sell it as racing stuff - it should not break when used by racers, in a race. There seems to be an issue that since most consumers that buy racing stuff don't use that stuff in a race, the mfg likes to sell for things folks buy. Weight, color, brand. Just that when in a non-crash you can break parts off the bike (as mentioned, not the first time), that is not a good thing. Maybe there should be labels, "No, really OK to race with this".

I was pushing he get the Extralite bars as a replacement. They do 25.4 as they argue the thickness and stem/bar angles are better. They also weigh under 100g. All their stuff is way lighter and sturdier in our experience.
Anyway they were too narrow, so I think we went with an ENVE carbon bar. I do not expect any more bar issues, however I do expect something else.
First carbon bars I bought were for my MTB. ca. 2004 Easton EC90. 25.4 and super narrow. I am still rocking them 15 years later. Apparently wide bars are all the rage now - along with 27.5 and 29 wheels, but I do fine on my narrow bars and 26" wheels.
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