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Old 07-16-19, 11:05 PM
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I'm tired of BF's garbage platform; I've had enough

Once again, for the umpty-umpth time, BF has timed me out and sent a post I spent some time crafting off into the ether, never to be seen again. The number of times this has happened is well into double digits. I have reported this to the BF poobahs and have received no response. Nothing. Crickets.

There is supposed to be an auto-save function: it doesn't work for sh*t. Hasn't for years

The search function has never worked for sh*t, at least not since the founder sold BF to whatever company it was.

Since that sale, we at BF have been the unwitting beta testers of buggy updates.

And I, for one, have had enough.

I will miss the C&V community; lots of good people, great bikes and fantastic shared knowledge here. But I am tired of a forum where the people ultimately in charge (and I mean far above the level of the mods, whose thankless efforts I very much appreciate) continuously send the message that I (and all of us) are to be held in contempt. So I choose to no longer hang out in a place where management makes it so clear that they don't give a flying you-know-what about me.

Farewell and tailwinds to my fellow C&Vers.
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Sorry to see you go. I'm not in love with the platform either but the issues here and there hardly seem reason enough to leave the community. The website is pretty functional. Maybe I just remember the 90s and early 2000s when web and browser design was a lot cruder.
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Maybe you're just too slow. Maybe you also forgot to click on Remember Me when you signed in OR...

maybe if you changed your browser settings to save cookies...

Them cookies are not bad for you.
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Just out of curiosity- have you been on any other forums recently?

The software/format is the same or better than a lot of the other ones. It's not BF's or IB's forum software.


And for the record, I don't see a single thread you've started in the User Assistance forum.

https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sug...er-assistance/

FWIW- every issue I brought up there was replied to and at least looked at.
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Bummer, and I just sent him a PM.
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Check your browser settings. If you're in any form of privacy mode, including ad blockers, script blockers, caching, etc., it can interfere with saving drafts of posts.

Generally I use Firefox for semi-private browsing, Chrome for stuff where I'm not concerned about tracking. But recently I'm using Firefox more often for everything, then switching to Duck Duck Go and Start Page for privacy. But DDG and SP don't play nice with anything that requires caching, so I don't use those for sites where I sign in to participate.

Also, if we delay too long before submitting a post, it'll time out and the post may be lost. Occasionally I'll get distracted and not return to a post until the next day. I have to remember to save the draft to the clipboard, then refresh the browser page.

This isn't just bike forums. Pretty much any site can have the same quirk.

But sometimes we just need a break even from a long time favorite site.
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Hmmm...

I periodically get the "Please Log in Again"... or something to that effect, when I'm obviously logged in. It usually has to do with my not quite finishing a reply, and either sleeping on it, or forgetting it for a while, finding it again, and finishing writing.

Sometimes I can get it back with a back button or refresh. I think it depends on what screen I was on. I think Quick Reply normally eats my messages.

Fortunately, it has been a while since that has popped up.

I do periodically get time-outs when replying. I scramble to copy anything I can, and save it on my machine if possible. I think Bike Forums does usually allow a "reload".

I am more likely to lose something that I wrote on my cell phone than on the laptop, and I think it is due to the phone.

And, of course, in general, my slow internet connection doesn't help.

I suppose I've gotten used to a few of BF's quirks.

The worst thing is that everybody knows that newbies have issues with posting photos. Yet, it is just that way by design.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Maybe you're just too slow. Maybe you also forgot to click on Remember Me when you signed in OR...

maybe if you changed your browser settings to save cookies...

Them cookies are not bad for you.
If I logged in, I did it on purpose. Why is it necessary to click on a button to reiterate my intent?

Keeping every cookie that's set in my browser is never gonna' happen.

I too have been mighty annoyed by the issues stated by the OP.
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I've never, not once had that problem with the BF software. The problem is in your browser, or in your internet service provider. Or, it can be in your computer; insufficient RAM memory, malware, OS updates downloading in the background, virus software hogging resources, and other things can cause your browser to run slow and time out on the forum, at the bank, or wherever you happen to be logged on.

So instead of storming off in a snit, why don't you compose your post in Word and save it to your computer, then copy and paste to the forum?

This is of course assuming what you have to say is worth saving...
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One way to stop losing longer, detailed posts due to timing out is to highlight it and right click, then copy it.

That way you can just paste it back into the box if you time out.

I also have not had much difficulty using the search function. I usually search for threads, so I select thread titles, rather than posts, and then type in the best keywords.
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Eroica California pre-ride with Northbend(Matt) , Bikingshearer(Rich) , and me Kabuki12(Joe) in the middle
sent Rich an email to express my feelings. I will miss him , we met a number of years ago at the first Eroica California via this very forum. I will stay in touch and a friendship that is still going strong will continue on. I only see Rich once a year at that event and always enjoy the time together.
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Originally Posted by BookFinder View Post
I've never, not once had that problem with the BF software. The problem is in your browser, or in your internet service provider. Or, it can be in your computer; insufficient RAM memory, malware, OS updates downloading in the background, virus software hogging resources, and other things can cause your browser to run slow and time out on the forum, at the bank, or wherever you happen to be logged on.

So instead of storming off in a snit, why don't you compose your post in Word and save it to your computer, then copy and paste to the forum?

This is of course assuming what you have to say is worth saving...
No need to attack someone that is sharing a frustration that more than one of us has had to deal with on this forum. I too have been frustrated as others have expressed and choose to continue to use the forum instead of quitting . I do not fault someone for not wanting to tolerate the flaws of this forum. It is just where he is at. No need to insinuate that his posts are not worthy! Just sayin' Joe
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No need to attack someone that is sharing a frustration that more than one of us has had to deal with on this forum. I too have been frustrated as others have expressed and choose to continue to use the forum instead of quitting . I do not fault someone for not wanting to tolerate the flaws of this forum. It is just where he is at. No need to insinuate that his posts are not worthy! Just sayin' Joe
Point taken, thank you. My intent was to tease him a bit, but I see how my comments could be construed otherwise. Even so, I don't think the problem is the forum software.

There is a lot of wisdom on the forum, and in a few places, conjecture and sketchy opinion. We all have to be discerning to sift the useful knowledge out of the mountains of verbiage.

For my part, if I'm posting something that has substance - meaning factual and worth keeping, I'll do the compose in Word maneuver to assure I have a copy saved to a folder on my computer.

That way, I don't spend 30 minutes on something only to have a power-blink or a software snag drop it into the internet version of a black hole. And, if I need that same content for editing and use in a later post, I have it.
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Point taken, thank you. My intent was to tease him a bit, but I see how my comments could be construed otherwise. Even so, I don't think the problem is the forum software.

There is a lot of wisdom on the forum, and in a few places, conjecture and sketchy opinion. We all have to be discerning to sift the useful knowledge out of the mountains of verbiage.

For my part, if I'm posting something that has substance - meaning factual and worth keeping, I'll do the compose in Word maneuver to assure I have a copy saved to a folder on my computer.

That way, I don't spend 30 minutes on something only to have a power-blink or a software snag drop it into the internet version of a black hole. And, if I need that same content for editing and use in a later post, I have it.
Good idea! I personally don't have that good of computer skills and I enjoy this forum so I will continue to put up with the flaws. That said, my Mac is older and only has 4 gig of ram which I thought was the problem until I realized that others are sharing the same experience. Sorry for the misunderstanding, Joe
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Yes, I think this happened to me once here. But it happens elsewhere a lot more often. Or rather, it would happen a lot more often. It doesn't, because if I want to post something that's going to take me a few minutes to compose, I compose it in a text editor (Geany); and, when it's ready, copy it and paste it wherever I want it. Simples!
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I'm tired of BF's garbage platform; I've had enough

Hi @bikingshearer ,

I was glad to see a post from you, but dismayed at the content. Back in 2009 I read a post from you that as an avid former cycle tourist I have frequently quoted:
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
Why'd you get into touring, what was your philosophy, and how did it change you?”

Touring just seemed like a fun extension soon after I discovered cycling as a college student, and had more time and less duties, starting with fifty mile one way week-end loops, to week-long tours, to a cross-country ride.

As far as touring philosphy, I think this post describes those joys best:
Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
A thought or two, based on personal experience....

Also, what's the hurry? One of the joys of touring is the singleness of purpose and absence of demands. All you have to do is get there: you don't have to get there fast or get their first - and if you are touring with camping gear, odds are you can be incredibly flexible about what "getting there" means on any given day.

Embrace that. Don't let your tour become an exercise in trading one rat-race for another.
However as you currently posted:
Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
Once again, for the umpty-umpth time, BF has timed me out and sent a post I spent some time crafting off into the ether, never to be seen again. The number of times this has happened is well into double digits. I have reported this to the BF poobahs and have received no response. Nothing. Crickets.

There is supposed to be an auto-save function: it doesn't work for sh*t. Hasn't for years

The search function has never worked for sh*t, at least not since the founder sold BF to whatever company it was.

Since that sale, we at BF have been the unwitting beta testers of buggy updates.

And I, for one, have had enough.

I will miss the C&V community; lots of good people, great bikes and fantastic shared knowledge here. But I am tired of a forum where the people ultimately in charge (and I mean far above the level of the mods, whose thankless efforts I very much appreciate) continuously send the message that I (and all of us) are to be held in contempt.

So I choose to no longer hang out in a place where management makes it so clear that they don't give a flying you-know-what about me.

Farewell and tailwinds to my fellow C&Vers.
I have experience with only one other, slightly active, and diminishing professional Forum, but as others have posted:
Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
Just out of curiosity- have you been on any other forums recently?
Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
Sorry to see you go. I'm not in love with the platform either but the issues here and there hardly seem reason enough to leave the community.

The website is pretty functional....
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One way to stop losing longer, detailed posts due to timing out is to highlight it and right click, then copy it.

That way you can just paste it back into the box if you time ou
t.

I also have not had much difficulty using the search function. I usually search for threads, so I select thread titles, rather than posts, and then type in the best keywords.
Originally Posted by BookFinder View Post
I've never, not once had that problem with the BF software. The problem is …

Why don't you compose your post in Word and save it to your computer, then copy and paste to the forum?

This is of course assuming what you have to say is worth saving...
As you see, I post intricately formatted nested quotes, and I copy to, and compose in Word, then paste in the BF website. It would be agonizing to lose one of my own.

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Maybe you also forgot to click on Remember Me when you signed in...
^This.
Every time I've seen someone complain about being timed out, it was always because they didn't do this.
On another forum I use, the box is checked by default, which makes more sense than having it unchecked by default.
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^This.
Every time I've seen someone complain about being timed out, it was always because they didn't do this.
On another forum I use, the box is checked by default, which makes more sense than having it unchecked by default.
That too. On my PC I stay logged in until I log off. On my I-phone and I-pad, I stay on BF for a pretty limited time after clicking on REMEMBER ME.

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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post

I will miss the C&V community; lots of good people, great bikes and fantastic shared knowledge here. But I am tired of a forum where the people ultimately in charge (and I mean far above the level of the mods, whose thankless efforts I very much appreciate) continuously send the message that I (and all of us) are to be held in contempt. So I choose to no longer hang out in a place where management makes it so clear that they don't give a flying you-know-what about me.

Farewell and tailwinds to my fellow C&Vers.
I don't think anyone holds you in contempt. I do think that individually program software changes in huge bundles of sites may present difficulties. One change would not, but hundreds of different sites each with custom programming might. I do think that if you are courteous and persistent you might get an answer as to why this wasn't done.
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Hi Bikingshearer,

If you're having trouble with site settings, please try the suggestions given by other users (like "cookies" "remember me" etc... )
When you do have troubles like that, report it as soon as it happens so we can more quickly find the cause for it.
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The last time I had to re-log into BF was when I bought a new computer. Like... early 2018, maybe? I use multiple browsers, I periodically use a VPN, and have never once had a post time-out or been prompted to relog in.

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Like everything in life, there are positives and negatives. Yes, I too have ran into the issue of lost text, and it was frustrating. However, after this happened a few times I began writing my longer posts on my iPhone notes app and copy/pasting it into BF.

I have found a great community here at C&V at BF! So much great knowledge! And sometimes itís the only venue to sell select bikes that the general public on Craigslist just donít understand. Another great attribute to the site is that there are NO ADS! Iím not constantly being bombarded by pop ups and the previously seen items! Iím sure if BF was to sell itís soul to advertising and pawning your data for a quick buck the bugs would be fixed in no time, but would it be worth it?

I for one donít mind a roughing through a few frustrating ďbugsĒ to stay in this incredibly welcoming ad-free community! For me, the positives far outweigh the negatives, and Iím sorry that the OP doesnít feel the same.

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The few people I've been lucky enough to meet and ride with from here cancels out even the worst software; at least for me.
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