Wireless earbuds while riding?
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THE QUOTES:
THE CONTEXT:
"Vigorous debate..."done dozens of times," IMO refutes rather than confirms, "Well, there's really not much debate about it, is there? It's a very bad idea."
Hardly “settled science.”
Does anyone use a single wireless earbud while riding, and if you do, how is the microphone performance? … Curious to hear you.
Does anyone have a response to the actual question -- will the rushing air drown out his voice?
The debates about listening while riding have been done already dozens of times.
The debates about listening while riding have been done already dozens of times.
Hardly “settled science.”
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Skull candy method wireless
I use these earbud sports headphones but I only use one earbud so I can have one ear to the public. I would never use both.
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I use a wired ear bud in ONE ear, listening to NPR "All Things Considered" or similar. I can hear approaching cars just fine & also use a helmet mirror. I prefer to keep a bud in the car-side ear, because Harleys and Horns are louder on that side.
The microphone for the wired earbuds is NOT protected from wind noise by the "cat ears", but the smaller "airpod" style wireless bud might work.
I can hear talk radio just fine, but wind noise is still a problem on phone calls with my wired earbuds, because the mic is a few inches down the cable.
Previously, I used a Plantronics 340 bluetooth earpiece that worked great on the bike, but still suffered in wind, until it died.
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Lots of wussies responding in this thread. I ride my motorcycle at speed with earbuds in; dragging knee in the canyons. If I can do that, then I sure as hell can ride a bicycle with earbuds in
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i cited ways in which we are all distracted to the job at hand when driving in vehicles and compared those ways to riding with ear buds.
I see no difference between all of them.
If hearing is vital to safety and not being distracted when cycling, then the same should apply when driving on the same roads. I argue that a car's noise insulation combined with radio and/or conversation in the car effectively makes both activities(again- riding with buds and driving with radio/coversation) equal in terms of ability to hear traffic.
Yet it's perfectly acceptable to drive in an exterior noise reduced vehicle(less noise is actually a luxury that we pay for) and play the radio.
How is this not tracking for you?
And ultimately, none of this even begins to address the reality that I cant hear much of anything at 16mph or above when riding even without buds in. Wind noise alone cancels out most noise on roads.
...but we all must have our ears available when riding even though they really arent needed for driving and not much can be heard when riding due to wind. Ha- this thread is full of brilliance.**
I see no difference between all of them.
If hearing is vital to safety and not being distracted when cycling, then the same should apply when driving on the same roads. I argue that a car's noise insulation combined with radio and/or conversation in the car effectively makes both activities(again- riding with buds and driving with radio/coversation) equal in terms of ability to hear traffic.
Yet it's perfectly acceptable to drive in an exterior noise reduced vehicle(less noise is actually a luxury that we pay for) and play the radio.
How is this not tracking for you?
And ultimately, none of this even begins to address the reality that I cant hear much of anything at 16mph or above when riding even without buds in. Wind noise alone cancels out most noise on roads.
...but we all must have our ears available when riding even though they really arent needed for driving and not much can be heard when riding due to wind. Ha- this thread is full of brilliance.**
I think that making a false equivalence between driving a car and riding a bike undermines your argument. In my opinion – and dare I say, conventional wisdom – the risks and hazards between the two are vastly different.
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Second that
although not being noise cancelling, if it gets too windy, you won’t be able to hear your music/podcast very well.
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I think that many of the anti-headphonites are in active denial of one particular point: cycling on the road is an act of faith. I don't mean faith as in the gods and religions thing, I mean it as in the first definition of the word: complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Riding a bicycle on an open public road, there is generally only one thing stopping a car striking you from behind: the situational awareness and driving ability of the person operating that motor vehicle. The other guy. We as cyclists live (literally) by the faith that said person isn't going to hit us.
The notion that we're in complete control, and that we can use our keen senses to protect us from any and all dangers is at best merely hubristic. Absolutely pay attention, this is what prevents us from getting right-hooked or otherwise pulled into by motor vehicles.
But if a driver is distracted for whatever reason at just the precisely wrong moment, that's that. You've about as much chance of dodging a car approaching from behind as you do hitting a pitched fastball while standing with your back to the pitcher.
Riding a bicycle on an open public road, there is generally only one thing stopping a car striking you from behind: the situational awareness and driving ability of the person operating that motor vehicle. The other guy. We as cyclists live (literally) by the faith that said person isn't going to hit us.
The notion that we're in complete control, and that we can use our keen senses to protect us from any and all dangers is at best merely hubristic. Absolutely pay attention, this is what prevents us from getting right-hooked or otherwise pulled into by motor vehicles.
But if a driver is distracted for whatever reason at just the precisely wrong moment, that's that. You've about as much chance of dodging a car approaching from behind as you do hitting a pitched fastball while standing with your back to the pitcher.
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AirPods have awesome technology where they can detect your voice and isolate it; I get even less wind:background noise with them than I did with wired ear buds.
although not being noise cancelling, if it gets too windy, you won’t be able to hear your music/podcast very well.
although not being noise cancelling, if it gets too windy, you won’t be able to hear your music/podcast very well.
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I have no opinion about the safety of wearing earbuds while cycling. I have no judgement to pass on those that do vs. those that don't. It's merely a matter of preference as far as I'm concerned.
I think that making a false equivalence between driving a car and riding a bike undermines your argument. In my opinion – and dare I say, conventional wisdom – the risks and hazards between the two are vastly different.
I think that making a false equivalence between driving a car and riding a bike undermines your argument. In my opinion – and dare I say, conventional wisdom – the risks and hazards between the two are vastly different.
When I drive, I put others at greater risk to injury than when I ride.
The risk of an activity neednt be considered when discussing if an action within that activity is smart or not.
Sure, the risk level is different between the two. But my comments that you take issue with are based not on risk, but rather on distraction. I was responding to a claim that listening to music while riding a bike is distracting. I attempted to point out that its absurd to claim people shouldnt wear ear buds when riding due to distraction when (i would guess) that many who vilify ear buds find it perfectly acceptable to listen to the same music in a noise reduced vehicle. Distraction is distraction to me.
I rely on sight over sound when riding(and driving), even though I can hear vehicles near me.
A lot of trust and verification goes into safely cycling on roads. Like that old guy said- trust but verify. I dont need full hearing to trust or verify while riding. This is quite nice for me since, you know, I cant hear much of anything once I reach the high teens due to wind noise.
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Speakers ruin other peoples' enjoyment riding.
If that blocks out other noise, turn down the volume.
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Also, the crux of the conversation is that of actionable means of avoiding accidents by way of auditory input, so we still need to look at that, too.
So yeah - citations, pls, thx.
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Like others have said, my wife and I ride with bone conducting headphones (Aftershokz) and they are fantastic. You can listen to the music and also hear stuff around you. We can even talk to each other on the rides (you just shift your focus from the music to the conversation, though sometimes I pause it if it's going to be a long talk).
Really, it's the safest and lest intrusive route for those around you if you want to listen to stuff and ride.
Really, it's the safest and lest intrusive route for those around you if you want to listen to stuff and ride.
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If all other things were equal, yeah, it'd be fairly obvious. But, to me, it seems fairly obvious that you're overlooking something fairly obvious and quite significant: speed. Cars go faster. Faster most certainly means that time to impact from a given distance is shorter, which probably means that accidents are more likely. Faster also means that the likelihood and severity of injury will increase.
Also, the crux of the conversation is that of actionable means of avoiding accidents by way of auditory input, so we still need to look at that, too.
So yeah - citations, pls, thx.
Also, the crux of the conversation is that of actionable means of avoiding accidents by way of auditory input, so we still need to look at that, too.
So yeah - citations, pls, thx.
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Arguing for the sake of arguing is what the road forum is all about!
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No way. I argue because I'm right and others are *so* wrong.
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For what it's worth, noodle soup and @WhyFi know their stuff, and it's a good idea to listen to them.
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