How about those 2020 TDF bikes?
09-03-20, 08:04 AM
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Nawww dog , youre trollin' -- the discs on my Tarmac squeak sometimes too , and are definitely not set up to purposely do that. The peloton did not have to non verbally communicate their braking activities when caliper brakes were being used so its silly to think theyd have to do that now
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09-03-20, 09:29 AM
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As an objective C+V guy, I can tell you this.
My nephew just retired from being a professional road cyclist, so I have had the opportunity to ride these bikes for considerable miles.
They are superior in EVERY single department, to include comfort. Yes, I said it.
I love my lugged steel because they have a certain feel, and represent a romantic era of my lifespan. These modern "Super Bikes" (as they are coined) are jaw-droppingly (even a word?) incredible. They are so fast and smooth, it's insane.
My nephew just retired from being a professional road cyclist, so I have had the opportunity to ride these bikes for considerable miles.
They are superior in EVERY single department, to include comfort. Yes, I said it.
I love my lugged steel because they have a certain feel, and represent a romantic era of my lifespan. These modern "Super Bikes" (as they are coined) are jaw-droppingly (even a word?) incredible. They are so fast and smooth, it's insane.
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09-03-20, 11:18 AM
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Impossible to say "every" department. Only time will tell how they compare in the longevity department. Maybe that's irrelevant in the culture of throwing out last year's phone, but not everyone lives there.
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Per what I see on Velo News.
I see differences in approach by frame designers. When did we see that with steel? More rare there, I think.
The Bianchi and Madone are hot. I have no issues with pro bike graphics but I resent in a teeny way paying to advertise a bike for the brand. I’m hypocritical that way because I dig my Wraith and want everyone to have one.
They all look fast, and I like fast, even if I am not.
When I look at the ‘20 TdF rides and those on C&V, I see links.
’55 Corvette and the new mid-engine model.
Hank Williams Sr and the BoDeans
Hootie & the Blowfish and the 70’s Methodist hymnal.
A Stearman biplane and the A6 Intruder
It is all relative.
Relatively speaking.
I see differences in approach by frame designers. When did we see that with steel? More rare there, I think.
The Bianchi and Madone are hot. I have no issues with pro bike graphics but I resent in a teeny way paying to advertise a bike for the brand. I’m hypocritical that way because I dig my Wraith and want everyone to have one.
They all look fast, and I like fast, even if I am not.
When I look at the ‘20 TdF rides and those on C&V, I see links.
’55 Corvette and the new mid-engine model.
Hank Williams Sr and the BoDeans
Hootie & the Blowfish and the 70’s Methodist hymnal.
A Stearman biplane and the A6 Intruder
It is all relative.
Relatively speaking.
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09-03-20, 11:31 AM
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Ernesto knew this way back, by observing old photographs of races, the Colnago club is Always very visible on the headtube.
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09-03-20, 01:50 PM
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Here's a bunch of replies to this page postings:
Top gear? I've seen that Campy announced their new 13 gear cassette with a NINE tooth high.
Braking Noise? I thought those bull-roarer free hub ratchets were for warning people that they were making you slow down. And 40 years before that, the knurled brake surface wheel rims had a built in squeak (or roar) to let folks know you were stopping, or sufficed for "On your left".
Hiding bike failures? How many times in the last few years have some of the best riders stopped for "flats" with both their tires obviously round? The bikes got swapped out quickly since it was the electronic shifting that was failing. I even remember one instance in the last couple years when the rider wound up and threw his bike over the rail and far into the weeds - and was fined by the organizers for doing it.
Top gear? I've seen that Campy announced their new 13 gear cassette with a NINE tooth high.
Braking Noise? I thought those bull-roarer free hub ratchets were for warning people that they were making you slow down. And 40 years before that, the knurled brake surface wheel rims had a built in squeak (or roar) to let folks know you were stopping, or sufficed for "On your left".
Hiding bike failures? How many times in the last few years have some of the best riders stopped for "flats" with both their tires obviously round? The bikes got swapped out quickly since it was the electronic shifting that was failing. I even remember one instance in the last couple years when the rider wound up and threw his bike over the rail and far into the weeds - and was fined by the organizers for doing it.
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Blast from the past...just listened to a CD two weeks ago!
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Hey, that would be a great tie-breaker in the event of a dead heat at the finish line... farthest bike toss FTW!!!
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Nawww dog , youre trollin' -- the discs on my Tarmac squeak sometimes too , and are definitely not set up to purposely do that. The peloton did not have to non verbally communicate their braking activities when caliper brakes were being used so its silly to think theyd have to do that now
If they needed to communicate, they'd have brake lights and turn signals.
Racing is frickin' racing. You don't signal to slow down, and you don't signal to pass.
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09-03-20, 04:46 PM
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/Sarcasm Would I ever desire to ride one of these current TdF bikes? NOPE! Not chasing down that rabbit hole. Or as Popeye used to say "I am what I am, and that's all that I am..." My road bikes are FRICTION shift, six-speed freewheels - two are double-cranks, and two are triples. That's all that I need for what I do... Your riding may vary... ...and i really don't care! I'm a gray-haired balding, pot-bellied senior 'old fart' that still rides what I'm comfortable with. Now get off my lawn!
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I’m pleased to see Eddy Merckx and De Rosa bikes back in the Peloton. The paint job on the Astana Wilier bike in the breakaway (stage winner) was nice.
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MAFAC centerpulls, anyone?
Honestly, this is laughable unless you can come up with something that would make us believe you.
I'm guessing I'll have to hit the mute button in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
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Like dinosaurs depicted in the past as tail daggers the tail dragging look compact frames might be finally going extinct?? YAY!!
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As an objective C+V guy, I can tell you this.
My nephew just retired from being a professional road cyclist, so I have had the opportunity to ride these bikes for considerable miles.
They are superior in EVERY single department, to include comfort. Yes, I said it.
I love my lugged steel because they have a certain feel, and represent a romantic era of my lifespan. These modern "Super Bikes" (as they are coined) are jaw-droppingly (even a word?) incredible. They are so fast and smooth, it's insane.
My nephew just retired from being a professional road cyclist, so I have had the opportunity to ride these bikes for considerable miles.
They are superior in EVERY single department, to include comfort. Yes, I said it.
I love my lugged steel because they have a certain feel, and represent a romantic era of my lifespan. These modern "Super Bikes" (as they are coined) are jaw-droppingly (even a word?) incredible. They are so fast and smooth, it's insane.
I was fortunate enough to get a killer deal on a non current S Works Tarmac (a 2017) -- I jumped on it . I have to agree. It is a great bike. It is more comfortable than my best steel bike . I love the Di2 (although I don't have any realistic complaints about a properly set up cable system ) --- The discs ARE noisy at times -- but disc brakes are the fashion of the times, ---- for my riding calipers work fine, -
but to compare it to the automotive world -- If you were paying $60,000 for a new pickup, you wouldn't want it to have 16" wheels , small brakes and a TBI engine
But ------ I do have a hilly 8 mile loop that I rode back to back (not same day - 2 days apart) on the Tarmac vs my mid 90's lugged ITalian bike with Record Ergo components --- both top of the range bikes, but 25 years apart --- I really thought the Tarmac would blow it away by 5 minutes or more, -- and felt like it. It did not. It was faster, but the vintage bike was also wearing a straight block cassette and a 53/39 crankset -- I literally had to walk the last 50 yards of one of the hills on the route on that old soldier, ---- the time difference between the 2 was roughly equal to the time I lost in having to grunt up and walk the hills
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