Surly Long Haul Trucker conversion to "comfort" bike
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Surly Long Haul Trucker conversion to "comfort" bike
Hi, all...this is such a great forum!
I have a Surly Long Haul Trucker, which I bought not because I'm into touring, but because Surly offered such a small frame size (42 cm), as I'm 5 feet tall. So I'm trying to make her more comfortable to ride. I have Nitto Noodle bars, which are more upright and comfy, but I'd like to go to upright bars since drops don't work for me. I'm thinking of a midrise bar with minimal sweep. Albatross and Northroads might not work since I live with large hills and need to stand up at times. Any suggestions on bars?
I switched my new Brooks saddle with a Selle Royal Avenue comfort saddle; and will replace my Panaracer 26 x 1.5 in. tires with 26 x 1.95 in. hybrid tires to cushion my ride. (Max tire clearance is 2.1 in. for the LHT.)
Is a 1.95 in. tire wide enough for comfort? Is the Selle Royal a good choice? Is there anything else I can do to cushion my ride? I'm a recreational rider who wants to ride more, so I hope I can make this transformation work. I've enclosed a pic of her before the saddle switch.
Thanks very much for any help or suggestions you can give.
I have a Surly Long Haul Trucker, which I bought not because I'm into touring, but because Surly offered such a small frame size (42 cm), as I'm 5 feet tall. So I'm trying to make her more comfortable to ride. I have Nitto Noodle bars, which are more upright and comfy, but I'd like to go to upright bars since drops don't work for me. I'm thinking of a midrise bar with minimal sweep. Albatross and Northroads might not work since I live with large hills and need to stand up at times. Any suggestions on bars?
I switched my new Brooks saddle with a Selle Royal Avenue comfort saddle; and will replace my Panaracer 26 x 1.5 in. tires with 26 x 1.95 in. hybrid tires to cushion my ride. (Max tire clearance is 2.1 in. for the LHT.)
Is a 1.95 in. tire wide enough for comfort? Is the Selle Royal a good choice? Is there anything else I can do to cushion my ride? I'm a recreational rider who wants to ride more, so I hope I can make this transformation work. I've enclosed a pic of her before the saddle switch.
Thanks very much for any help or suggestions you can give.
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Do try to read reviews of whatever tire you do choose, and take note of comments regarding ride quality. Some tires are just very stiff in general (often cheaper tires), and there can be a vast difference in the ride quality of two tires that are the same nominal size.
Welcome to the forum! I love the idea of converting a LHT to a hybrid/comfort bike. Those are neat frames.
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You can run a fatter tire at lower pressure which will help make it more comfortable. Not cheap but I really like the schwalbe marathon supreme touring 26 x 2.0 tires.
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...-supre-26-inch
The problem with going with any flat bar is that your controls (the brifters) won't work. You'll need different levers and shifters.
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...-supre-26-inch
The problem with going with any flat bar is that your controls (the brifters) won't work. You'll need different levers and shifters.
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Depending on the tire you choose, 1.95" wide should be plenty wide enough for comfort. I can give you a short personal anecdote. I previously had 26x1.4 Michelin City Protek tires on my '94 steel mountain bike. It rode like a dump truck with those tires -- they're heavy, they have a thick flat protection rib, and they're not very flexible. I had to keep 80 psi in them or more just to hold my weight up (235#). I just didn't like 'em. I swapped them for 26x1.75 Michelin Country Rock tires, which are a smooth-tread tire that are a TON more comfortable than the Proteks. Much of that is due to being able to run them at 40 psi instead of 80, but the sidewalls are also much thinner, the tread is much thinner, and they're about half the weight. This all combines to create a very supple ride compared with the Proteks.
Do try to read reviews of whatever tire you do choose, and take note of comments regarding ride quality. Some tires are just very stiff in general (often cheaper tires), and there can be a vast difference in the ride quality of two tires that are the same nominal size.
Welcome to the forum! I love the idea of converting a LHT to a hybrid/comfort bike. Those are neat frames.
Do try to read reviews of whatever tire you do choose, and take note of comments regarding ride quality. Some tires are just very stiff in general (often cheaper tires), and there can be a vast difference in the ride quality of two tires that are the same nominal size.
Welcome to the forum! I love the idea of converting a LHT to a hybrid/comfort bike. Those are neat frames.
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You can run a fatter tire at lower pressure which will help make it more comfortable. Not cheap but I really like the schwalbe marathon supreme touring 26 x 2.0 tires.
The problem with going with any flat bar is that your controls (the brifters) won't work. You'll need different levers and shifters.
The problem with going with any flat bar is that your controls (the brifters) won't work. You'll need different levers and shifters.
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I recently bought a used Trek 750, and was kind of interested in wanting to run cantilever brakes again. After much adjustment with the old pads, and with brand new Shimano pads, I remembered why I converted my old mountain bike from cantilever to V brakes, and I ended up doing the same with this 750. I found a set of silver (to match the other trim on my 750) Tektro Mini-V brakes; I liked these for the low profile they have. I use them with standard V levers (actually, Shimano ST-EF51 brake/shifter combos) and they work great. I'd recommend regular-sized V brake arms (95-105mm usually) for your bike because you'll be using larger volume tires.
The Schwinn 1.95" tires will probably ride well. They're likely made by either Kenda, Innova, Cheng Shin or similar. Are they these:
https://www.amazon.com/Schwinn-Stree.../dp/B0088X3VL6
If so, they may be made by Kenda because they are pretty much a match for the Kenda Komfort tire. Reviews of those note the smooth ride, so I'm sure you'll enjoy them.
The Schwinn 1.95" tires will probably ride well. They're likely made by either Kenda, Innova, Cheng Shin or similar. Are they these:
https://www.amazon.com/Schwinn-Stree.../dp/B0088X3VL6
If so, they may be made by Kenda because they are pretty much a match for the Kenda Komfort tire. Reviews of those note the smooth ride, so I'm sure you'll enjoy them.
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So I'm trying to make her more comfortable to ride. I have Nitto Noodle bars, which are more upright and comfy, but I'd like to go to upright bars since drops don't work for me. I'm thinking of a midrise bar with minimal sweep. Albatross and Northroads might not work since I live with large hills and need to stand up at times. Any suggestions on bars?
On-One Mary -- 37mm rise, 21mm upsweep, 85mm backsweep (max, on 31.8 bar)
Soma Clarence -- (sizing for 31.8mm variant) 37mm rise, 19deg upsweep, 34deg backsweep, available in 31.8mm and 25.4mm bar clamp sizes.
Humpert Stuttgarter -- various sizes, rises, sweeps. One might suit you, though they tend to be fairly swept back.
NC-17 trekking -- 60mm rise, 16deg upsweep, 32deg backsweep.
FSA Metropolis -- 32mm rise, 21deg upsweep, 46deg backsweep, 31.8mm bar clamp area. I actually have this one on a Trek DS. It's got very little rise, hardly noticeable. The degree of backsweep places the hands at a nicer, more-comfortable orientation for me. Hand position is about as far rearward as the center of the fork area, whereas the previous (factory) flatbar put the hands about 2" further forward. I'm fiddling with bar/hands position right now, so likely I'll be switching to a bar that has another 2" of rise and another 2-3" of backsweep. That ought to do it, for perfect hands position in a comfortable (relaxed) riding position.
... will replace my Panaracer 26 x 1.5 in. tires with 26 x 1.95 in. hybrid tires to cushion my ride. (Max tire clearance is 2.1 in. for the LHT.) Is a 1.95 in. tire wide enough for comfort?
Is the Selle Royal a good choice? Is there anything else I can do to cushion my ride? I'm a recreational rider who wants to ride more, so I hope I can make this transformation work. I've enclosed a pic of her before the saddle switch.
Myself, I prefer a more-upright, slightly forward riding position. Haven't nailed down the saddle perfectly, yet, but I've got a Selle SMP Martin I've been trying out the past 9mos. Lots of different shapes, out there. It'll all come down to your riding position and what shape suits you best.
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hokiefyd: Yes, those are the ones! From the reviews, it looks like they're Innova, and people seem to like them. Fingers crossed! Re: V-brakes...that's exactly why I want to make the switch; thanks for the recommendation. And if the tires work out, I'll probably do the transformation: new bar, brakes, levers, shifters, cables, grips...upward of $400...yikes. I could buy a whole new bike for that amount, so that's why I'm taking baby steps before the plunge!
Clyde1820: Thank you for all those bar suggestions! I'll definitely check them out. And the good thing about Selle is the 120-day comfort guarantee. You could spend a fortune going through saddles trying to find the right one. Selle gives me peace of mind, and they have a few comfort choices.
Thanks to you both for your thoughtful responses. Next week I'll have my LBS install the new tires and see how it goes. :-)
Clyde1820: Thank you for all those bar suggestions! I'll definitely check them out. And the good thing about Selle is the 120-day comfort guarantee. You could spend a fortune going through saddles trying to find the right one. Selle gives me peace of mind, and they have a few comfort choices.
Thanks to you both for your thoughtful responses. Next week I'll have my LBS install the new tires and see how it goes. :-)
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I'd recommend switching to Origin8 Tikki mustache handlebars... will allow you to keep your road brifter/shifter set and still ride upright. Get the Nitto Albastache mustache bar if you like the feel of Nitto Albastross upswept bars.
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K.I.S.S. is what I've usually relied upon. Drop bars are OK if fit is tweaked. Little bit taller, little bit shorter stem has worked for me. Unless you mean a full on beach cruiser posture.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...itto+technomic
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...itto+technomic
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These are them...less than 11 bucks...great deal!
eBay's a great source because there are so many styles of nearly every part out there, and you can usually find exactly what you want.
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Those are neat bars, and I find they provide the best comfort with grip shifters rather than triggers. I find that it can be rather difficult/awkward to push the lower trigger paddle on a typical Shimano twin-paddle system (because you're trying to push more sideways than straight forward). Pulling the top paddle back is simple enough, but pushing the lower paddle can be difficult.
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Those are neat bars, and I find they provide the best comfort with grip shifters rather than triggers. I find that it can be rather difficult/awkward to push the lower trigger paddle on a typical Shimano twin-paddle system (because you're trying to push more sideways than straight forward). Pulling the top paddle back is simple enough, but pushing the lower paddle can be difficult.
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Do a google search for flat bar long haul trucker and you'll get some ideas of what people are using. My 1984 mountain bike is very, very similar to the 26" LHT's and I just run a typical mountain bike bar with about 10 degrees of sweep back and 38mm rise.
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Hi, all, and many thanks again for your great suggestions about bars, V-brakes, tires, and the like. Wow, $11 for V-brakes...what a score! I wish I knew enough about components to buy secondhand. I'll talk to my bike guy about it.
Here's a bar he had me try out in order to get me more upright. Still too much weight on my hands compared to the comfort bikes I've tried, but with cushioned grips, I assume I wouldn't get numb-hands syndrome like I used to with my Trek FX. He's cautioning me away from super-swept-back bars for various reasons, but I do think it's a personal thing. I simply haven't tried enough bars to know what's best and don't have enough shops around to test out some of the nonstandard bars.
I've also test-ridden and like the current Trek Verve and Specialized Roll. But I'm hoping my Surly works out.
Here's a bar he had me try out in order to get me more upright. Still too much weight on my hands compared to the comfort bikes I've tried, but with cushioned grips, I assume I wouldn't get numb-hands syndrome like I used to with my Trek FX. He's cautioning me away from super-swept-back bars for various reasons, but I do think it's a personal thing. I simply haven't tried enough bars to know what's best and don't have enough shops around to test out some of the nonstandard bars.
I've also test-ridden and like the current Trek Verve and Specialized Roll. But I'm hoping my Surly works out.
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Attachment 566672Albatross bars.
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Hi, all, and many thanks again for your great suggestions about bars, V-brakes, tires, and the like. Wow, $11 for V-brakes...what a score! I wish I knew enough about components to buy secondhand. I'll talk to my bike guy about it.
Here's a bar he had me try out in order to get me more upright. Still too much weight on my hands compared to the comfort bikes I've tried, but with cushioned grips, I assume I wouldn't get numb-hands syndrome like I used to with my Trek FX. He's cautioning me away from super-swept-back bars for various reasons, but I do think it's a personal thing. I simply haven't tried enough bars to know what's best and don't have enough shops around to test out some of the nonstandard bars.
I've also test-ridden and like the current Trek Verve and Specialized Roll. But I'm hoping my Surly works out.
Here's a bar he had me try out in order to get me more upright. Still too much weight on my hands compared to the comfort bikes I've tried, but with cushioned grips, I assume I wouldn't get numb-hands syndrome like I used to with my Trek FX. He's cautioning me away from super-swept-back bars for various reasons, but I do think it's a personal thing. I simply haven't tried enough bars to know what's best and don't have enough shops around to test out some of the nonstandard bars.
I've also test-ridden and like the current Trek Verve and Specialized Roll. But I'm hoping my Surly works out.
Those handlebars are hideous.
If you want to raise the height of your handlebars and reduce the reach, then something like the aforementioned albatross bars or these FSA Metropolis bars should easily do the trick and give you conditions that easily match any comfort bike.
You can get your bars higher with a sharply angled stem of 40 degrees and even though the picture I am attaching is of the 130mm model, there are 60mm models that one can get.
Your Surly deserves some quality components to complement it, not some cheap junk.
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Thanks for the info, Col. Sanders. To be fair, neither of us was thrilled with this bar, either, but it was the only one he had unboxed, and it gave me a feel for a higher upright bar on my bike. I'd hoped a more standard riser bar would work (see pics; first is the Nitto Nordeast bar), but I might need to be more upright. Very hard to assess in the abstract.
Would I be able to install rapid-fire shifters on the Metropolis, Northroads, etc., considering the grips would be in a very different position from a straighter bar?
Would I be able to install rapid-fire shifters on the Metropolis, Northroads, etc., considering the grips would be in a very different position from a straighter bar?
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Thanks for the info, Col. Sanders. To be fair, neither of us was thrilled with this bar, either, but it was the only one he had unboxed, and it gave me a feel for a higher upright bar on my bike. I'd hoped a more standard riser bar would work (see pics; first is the Nitto Nordeast bar), but I might need to be more upright. Very hard to assess in the abstract.
Would I be able to install rapid-fire shifters on the Metropolis, Northroads, etc., considering the grips would be in a very different position from a straighter bar?
Would I be able to install rapid-fire shifters on the Metropolis, Northroads, etc., considering the grips would be in a very different position from a straighter bar?
People using the Northroads or Albatross often go with Bar End shifters.
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Yes, I've noticed only bar ends with Northroads and Albatross. Never seen rapid-fire shifters on them; perhaps the angle of hands and fingers makes the trigger awkward to use.
After looking at a number of cool bars, I'm thinking something simple with a moderate rise with a moderate sweep might work. In the absence of hands-on experience, I have to start somewhere, so why not middle of the road?
Thanks again to everyone who offered ideas...this is all so helpful!
After looking at a number of cool bars, I'm thinking something simple with a moderate rise with a moderate sweep might work. In the absence of hands-on experience, I have to start somewhere, so why not middle of the road?
Thanks again to everyone who offered ideas...this is all so helpful!
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Can't say if such shifters would be anywhere near as useful on rearward-pointing "English/Dutch" style bars, no matter what grips were installed. But on something with a moderate swept-back profile they should do fine.
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Sure. I have them, myself. FSA Metropolis bar, rapid-fire type shifters, Ergon GC1 grips. They work very well, in combination.
Can't say if such shifters would be anywhere near as useful on rearward-pointing "English/Dutch" style bars, no matter what grips were installed. But on something with a moderate swept-back profile they should do fine.
Can't say if such shifters would be anywhere near as useful on rearward-pointing "English/Dutch" style bars, no matter what grips were installed. But on something with a moderate swept-back profile they should do fine.
I see what you're saying about those shifters not working as well on extremely swept-back bars. And when I'm tackling hills, I'm not sure how easy it would be to stand and pedal vs. more moderate bars. Possibly why Dutch-style bikes/bars are best used on flatter terrain?
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In general, trigger shifters are designed to be mounted "perpendicular" to you, on a straight bar (or one with a very small sweep). The further you rotate a trigger shifter from that intended position, the harder it will become to use. You can understand that if you went all that way back to a "parallel" bar (like with the townie bars above), a trigger shifter would be more or less unusable. Anywhere in the middle will depend on YOUR individual thumb/finger dexterity. For me, personally, a trigger shifter is not usable past about 25 or 30 degrees of sweep (meaning I'd have to use a different shifter for an H-bar or Metropolis bar. But, everybody is different -- it works for @Clyde1820 and it might work for you, too.
On something like a Metropolis bar, I'd probably prefer Sram Gripshift or an indexed thumb shifter.
On something like a Metropolis bar, I'd probably prefer Sram Gripshift or an indexed thumb shifter.