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12-17-19, 06:49 AM
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You know what they say: "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans." Even so, I have a plan: I'll fly to San Francisco in the tail-end of March, then ride my PX-10 down the coast road to Cabria, planning to arrive on Thursday. I'm a bike tourist with camping gear, not a speedy event-type rider, so I'm guessing the 250-mile ride will take at least four days.
I won't actually be riding any of the routes, since I'll be attending as a vendor to sell chainrings and triplizers. My plan is to have a pleasant (albeit brief) tour and with luck sell enough goods to at least subsidize my flight home to Vermont. Figuring on doing a rinko-like bike disassembly and bringing it as checked baggage both ways.
I won't actually be riding any of the routes, since I'll be attending as a vendor to sell chainrings and triplizers. My plan is to have a pleasant (albeit brief) tour and with luck sell enough goods to at least subsidize my flight home to Vermont. Figuring on doing a rinko-like bike disassembly and bringing it as checked baggage both ways.
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You know what they say: "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans." Even so, I have a plan: I'll fly to San Francisco in the tail-end of March, then ride my PX-10 down the coast road to Cabria, planning to arrive on Thursday. I'm a bike tourist with camping gear, not a speedy event-type rider, so I'm guessing the 250-mile ride will take at least four days.
12-17-19, 02:34 PM
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Sounds like ambitious plans. As a semi local, know that the weather can be iffy that time of year, at least to this wimpy old SoCal guy. Hope it works out - should make a good story either way. Have fun, hope to see you there.
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You know what they say: "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans." Even so, I have a plan: I'll fly to San Francisco in the tail-end of March, then ride my PX-10 down the coast road to Cabria, planning to arrive on Thursday. I'm a bike tourist with camping gear, not a speedy event-type rider, so I'm guessing the 250-mile ride will take at least four days.
I won't actually be riding any of the routes, since I'll be attending as a vendor to sell chainrings and triplizers. My plan is to have a pleasant (albeit brief) tour and with luck sell enough goods to at least subsidize my flight home to Vermont. Figuring on doing a rinko-like bike disassembly and bringing it as checked baggage both ways.
I won't actually be riding any of the routes, since I'll be attending as a vendor to sell chainrings and triplizers. My plan is to have a pleasant (albeit brief) tour and with luck sell enough goods to at least subsidize my flight home to Vermont. Figuring on doing a rinko-like bike disassembly and bringing it as checked baggage both ways.
There's a perfect word for planning a bike tour, short or long:
Audacious If you worry about every single thing that can go wrong, you'll never get on your bike for even a short tour.
Be aware that @gugie and I have talked about riding down from SF area with a group of Eroicoids the week before Eroica. This would be a credit card tour and followup to my annual "Marinica" ride in Marin County that occurs the weekend before Eroica. I haven't checked in with Gugie lately about this but assume that it is still in the cards. You would definitely be welcome to join us for all or part of that ride. I think we were talking about arriving in Cambria on Friday.
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If anyone needs them, MKS makes an Extra large (LL) toeclip that can accommodate larger shoes. I used to wear a 9.5 size dress shoe for a long time, but over the last 5 years realized that was too small. My feet have been flattening a bit and I would get ingrown big toenails on both feet, partly due to the cramped toebox. I switched to SAS shoes which have large toeboxes and had them remeasure my shoe size. It was actually a 10.5 to 11.0 EE to EEE wide which I've found to be much more comfortable. With that in mind, when I looked for modern cycling shoes (not my old Italian style with super narrow lasts - the old Euro style), I found Shimano makes Wide sizes. Now I use a Shimano R088 (3-4 year old style) in a 46E Wide and fits perfectly although seems awfully long.
That's where the MKS LL toeclip comes in, it allows the ball of my foot to fit back over the correct spot on the pedal and gives mostly enough vertical space to not put pressure on my toes. I used pliers as mentioned above to shape the toeclip over the toebox off the shoes. The only downside to them is they may cause overlap with the front tire if your wheelbase is shorter, you're running wider/taller tires, or you tend to overlap anyway. Also, with narrow/shorter tires and longer cranks, you may find you're scraping the toeclip on the ground. I actually had that happen for awhile and in a couple of instances, the clip actually snapped when it caught the ground on a pedal stroke when I couldn't clip in and rode on the upturned pedal bottom, driving the clip front into the ground. Never thought I could snap a steel clip before. So I always buy a couple of pairs and have them handy If I need to replace just one. They come with all metric hardware to install on any classic pedal. One version also comes with leather accents. There are also versions that are deep (taller toebox) that may help in specific situations.
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That's where the MKS LL toeclip comes in, it allows the ball of my foot to fit back over the correct spot on the pedal and gives mostly enough vertical space to not put pressure on my toes. I used pliers as mentioned above to shape the toeclip over the toebox off the shoes. The only downside to them is they may cause overlap with the front tire if your wheelbase is shorter, you're running wider/taller tires, or you tend to overlap anyway. Also, with narrow/shorter tires and longer cranks, you may find you're scraping the toeclip on the ground. I actually had that happen for awhile and in a couple of instances, the clip actually snapped when it caught the ground on a pedal stroke when I couldn't clip in and rode on the upturned pedal bottom, driving the clip front into the ground. Never thought I could snap a steel clip before. So I always buy a couple of pairs and have them handy If I need to replace just one. They come with all metric hardware to install on any classic pedal. One version also comes with leather accents. There are also versions that are deep (taller toebox) that may help in specific situations.
https://velo-orange.com/products/mks...nt=50644751687
https://www.amazon.com/MKS-Deep-Stee...P16?th=1&psc=1
https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/146
I did a nice ride yesterday with my Super now setup with:
SHIMANO PD-T100 CLIP-IN ROAD PEDALS CHRISTOPHE LARGE CLIPS & WHITE TOUTA STRAPS
Pretty nice fit after some pliers adjustments as recommended.
Not crazy about the vintage Sidi shoes but I improved them with a stiffer modern inserts.
The clipping in/out still need some work and may try to add some bigger kicks for easier entries.
12-23-19, 07:09 AM
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Be aware that @gugie and I have talked about riding down from SF area with a group of Eroicoids the week before Eroica. This would be a credit card tour and followup to my annual "Marinica" ride in Marin County that occurs the weekend before Eroica. I haven't checked in with Gugie lately about this but assume that it is still in the cards. You would definitely be welcome to join us for all or part of that ride. I think we were talking about arriving in Cambria on Friday.
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Nice! I'll probably be leaving Sunday and riding slower than you guys since I'm planning to arrive a day earlier. So you might pass me somewhere along the way--I'll be the guy on the white (natch) PX-10 with a big saddlebag behind. If anyone wants to exchange phone numbers ahead of time, just send me a PM.
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12-23-19, 03:19 PM
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1984 Faggin back dated to 1980 with early Cyclone transmission, Apex cranks and whatever brakes I can dig out of the box. 14 speeds with low gears to get my heavy self down the beginner course.
This is a junk box build with a free frame. Paint work is beat and decals gone so I'm stripping it to the chrome.
I'll be staying at The Silver Surf in San Simeon. A real dump im sure based on the budget price but im not there to lay around the motel.
See you there!
1984 Faggin back dated to 1980 with early Cyclone transmission, Apex cranks and whatever brakes I can dig out of the box. 14 speeds with low gears to get my heavy self down the beginner course.
This is a junk box build with a free frame. Paint work is beat and decals gone so I'm stripping it to the chrome.
I'll be staying at The Silver Surf in San Simeon. A real dump im sure based on the budget price but im not there to lay around the motel.
See you there!
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1. Robert Haines, RCH427, rch427 at yahoo.com, (4I5) 939 - 9954, San Francisco, CA
2. Route: uncertain. I'd rather not have to do the Piedras Blancas route again, but there's no way I could do the entirety of any other route. I might just do a portion of one of the others.
3. Primary Riding Bike: 1947 Gnome et Rhone. Additional Bike: 1953 Rochet veloporteur racer.
3A. New info request this year - F/R gearing: 3-speed hubs, baby! Tires and sizes: 650B How good a climber are you: pretty good on stairs; OK on ladders. Otherwise . . .
4. Planned dates of arrival and departure and Where you be staying? -- undecided. If I can find a decent, cheap B&B in Cambria, I might do that. Otherwise, camping? Either way, I'll probably come down Friday night and leave Sunday after the ride.
5. Any additional activities - Volunteering -- perhaps.
2. Route: uncertain. I'd rather not have to do the Piedras Blancas route again, but there's no way I could do the entirety of any other route. I might just do a portion of one of the others.
3. Primary Riding Bike: 1947 Gnome et Rhone. Additional Bike: 1953 Rochet veloporteur racer.
3A. New info request this year - F/R gearing: 3-speed hubs, baby! Tires and sizes: 650B How good a climber are you: pretty good on stairs; OK on ladders. Otherwise . . .
4. Planned dates of arrival and departure and Where you be staying? -- undecided. If I can find a decent, cheap B&B in Cambria, I might do that. Otherwise, camping? Either way, I'll probably come down Friday night and leave Sunday after the ride.
5. Any additional activities - Volunteering -- perhaps.
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Anyone else not happy about the "Piedras Blancas" route being repeated this year? They haven't posted the route map yet, but I presume it will be the same as last year.
Personally, I wasn't happy with the route. Having to ride alongside traffic on Hwy. 1, the constant crosswind, and not a lot of variety (and zero shade) were far from ideal, and the "point A to point B, and then back to point A" configuration is boring. I much preferred the previous year's wimpy route: lots of variety, lots of different views, a good mix of sun and shade, almost no car traffic, and it was a loop, so you never saw the same scenery twice. And the two break locations (Cass Winery and the olive oil grove) were fantastic!
Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I an outlier?
If the former, I wonder if it's possible to suggest to the organizers that they give us a different wimpy route in 2021. In the meantime, I'm going to have to figure out (once they post the maps) if I can do part of another route instead.
Personally, I wasn't happy with the route. Having to ride alongside traffic on Hwy. 1, the constant crosswind, and not a lot of variety (and zero shade) were far from ideal, and the "point A to point B, and then back to point A" configuration is boring. I much preferred the previous year's wimpy route: lots of variety, lots of different views, a good mix of sun and shade, almost no car traffic, and it was a loop, so you never saw the same scenery twice. And the two break locations (Cass Winery and the olive oil grove) were fantastic!
Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I an outlier?
If the former, I wonder if it's possible to suggest to the organizers that they give us a different wimpy route in 2021. In the meantime, I'm going to have to figure out (once they post the maps) if I can do part of another route instead.
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rch427 we have 13 weeks. The weather is not bad and you can ride yourself into shape enough to "suffer" on a shorter loop.
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rch427 we have 13 weeks. The weather is not bad and you can ride yourself into shape enough to "suffer" on a shorter loop.
Perhaps we should have a prize for "greatest combined age of rider and bike". I'm clocking in at 124!
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Is that supposed to seem like a lot or a little? :-P
It doesn't seem like that much to me right now, but I was able to get out on some decent rides from Xmas to New Years, and reading your post this morning motivated me to get out on the fat bike today, and I will be putting some pretty serious miles on my fat bike this winter to hopefully be able to pedal Eroica pretty hard, hard to say exactly what will happen till the ride is over though...
I figure I'll train up to some 6 hour fat bike rides (a half century or so on snow, yea, fatties are THAT slow) and that should be about the right fitness for Eroica. I've never signed up for a ride so early in the summer, so it'll be a bit odd for me to make sure I'll be fit enough for it.
It doesn't seem like that much to me right now, but I was able to get out on some decent rides from Xmas to New Years, and reading your post this morning motivated me to get out on the fat bike today, and I will be putting some pretty serious miles on my fat bike this winter to hopefully be able to pedal Eroica pretty hard, hard to say exactly what will happen till the ride is over though...
I figure I'll train up to some 6 hour fat bike rides (a half century or so on snow, yea, fatties are THAT slow) and that should be about the right fitness for Eroica. I've never signed up for a ride so early in the summer, so it'll be a bit odd for me to make sure I'll be fit enough for it.
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Heh. Well, it seems like a lot to me. Most of the guys I see at Eroica have been 30s through 60s, riding bikes that are most commonly from the '60s through early-'80s, so my total would be higher than theirs.
Having said that: there was a Japanese guy two years ago on a single-speed from the 1910s! He was probably in his late-30s, so he might've gotten close...
Having said that: there was a Japanese guy two years ago on a single-speed from the 1910s! He was probably in his late-30s, so he might've gotten close...
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I'm 70, and, following two minor surgeries, rode my '64 Legnano on the "easy" PB route last year, and enjoyed every mile. My Legnano with 42/28 best gear was perfect for the PB course. I usually ride in LA traffic, and never gave the Highway 1 traffic a thought. I also rode the Legnano on the "easy" 45 mile Eroica route in 2016 and walked three hills. It was nice riding, and not walking last year. In 2017, I rode my '73 Super Course with a 32/34 best gear and walked three hills on the easy Paso Robles course. As much as I enjoyed the Legnano last year, I'm bringing the Super Course, and will take my chances on the 75 mile intermediate course. I don't ride these rides so I can walk and agree that there ought to be a middle choice for riders that enjoy riding these old bikes, but don't enjoy walking. I've been riding this Legnano for 56 years, and never walked it till Eroica, 2016.
I guess my age + '64 Legnano age add up to 126. With the '73 Super Course, it's only 117. I like those numbers better.😉
I guess my age + '64 Legnano age add up to 126. With the '73 Super Course, it's only 117. I like those numbers better.😉
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Heh. Well, it seems like a lot to me. Most of the guys I see at Eroica have been 30s through 60s, riding bikes that are most commonly from the '60s through early-'80s, so my total would be higher than theirs.
Having said that: there was a Japanese guy two years ago on a single-speed from the 1910s! He was probably in his late-30s, so he might've gotten close...
Having said that: there was a Japanese guy two years ago on a single-speed from the 1910s! He was probably in his late-30s, so he might've gotten close...
My combined age will be me 46 and my Super Course 48, a measly 94 years.
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pfff...you're but a pair of spring chickens.
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Yea, but I am signed up for the 108 mile ride and I am planning on hammering myself to pieces on the bike :-P
I was half debating removing fenders from by 63 Hercules 3 speed (700c rims and a Sturmey S5 5 speed hub in it now) so I can run larger tires and ride it, but I like my recently acquired Super Course so much that I changed my mind on bike selection.
I was half debating removing fenders from by 63 Hercules 3 speed (700c rims and a Sturmey S5 5 speed hub in it now) so I can run larger tires and ride it, but I like my recently acquired Super Course so much that I changed my mind on bike selection.
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Anyone else not happy about the "Piedras Blancas" route being repeated this year? They haven't posted the route map yet, but I presume it will be the same as last year.
Personally, I wasn't happy with the route. Having to ride alongside traffic on Hwy. 1, the constant crosswind, and not a lot of variety (and zero shade) were far from ideal, and the "point A to point B, and then back to point A" configuration is boring. I much preferred the previous year's wimpy route: lots of variety, lots of different views, a good mix of sun and shade, almost no car traffic, and it was a loop, so you never saw the same scenery twice. And the two break locations (Cass Winery and the olive oil grove) were fantastic!
Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I an outlier?
If the former, I wonder if it's possible to suggest to the organizers that they give us a different wimpy route in 2021. In the meantime, I'm going to have to figure out (once they post the maps) if I can do part of another route instead.
Personally, I wasn't happy with the route. Having to ride alongside traffic on Hwy. 1, the constant crosswind, and not a lot of variety (and zero shade) were far from ideal, and the "point A to point B, and then back to point A" configuration is boring. I much preferred the previous year's wimpy route: lots of variety, lots of different views, a good mix of sun and shade, almost no car traffic, and it was a loop, so you never saw the same scenery twice. And the two break locations (Cass Winery and the olive oil grove) were fantastic!
Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I an outlier?
If the former, I wonder if it's possible to suggest to the organizers that they give us a different wimpy route in 2021. In the meantime, I'm going to have to figure out (once they post the maps) if I can do part of another route instead.
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About 18 months ago I saw a Medici at the local sidewalk bicycle chop-shop here in San Francisco, with two guys getting ready to start "fixing" it -- rattlecan paintjob, swapping the wheels, saddle and handlebars with another bike, etc.
I considered the options I had -- what I might be able to do to get it away from them, or alert the cops, but decided against it. They're lookouts for the local Honduran drug cartel, and as I have to walk down that sidewalk twice a day, I want to remain under their radar. And sadly, the cops won't lift a finger with these guys since the state and city both effectively decriminalized bike theft. :/ I *did* check Craigslist and the Stolen Bike Registry for anyone short one Medici, but nope -- nothing listed.
I considered the options I had -- what I might be able to do to get it away from them, or alert the cops, but decided against it. They're lookouts for the local Honduran drug cartel, and as I have to walk down that sidewalk twice a day, I want to remain under their radar. And sadly, the cops won't lift a finger with these guys since the state and city both effectively decriminalized bike theft. :/ I *did* check Craigslist and the Stolen Bike Registry for anyone short one Medici, but nope -- nothing listed.
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I wonder if The Powers That Be could be swayed by a petition with lots of signatures, and a low rumble of mutiny.
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I have been riding Eroica California since the start and agree that Paso Robles was special. I always do the short route with my friend Rich and , yes , the PR route with stops at Cass and Olea were really ideal. The route was definitely more challenging than Cambria to PiedrasBlancas lighthouse. I expect this year to be better as far as certain elements , but I think the ride up the coast and back again will be fine. If you do the whole ride as a lot don’t , it should be good. Towards the end we toured the moonstone beach and did the climb up the hill to take the back road intoCambria . We noticed a lot did not and rode into town the way we left. To each , their own. Joe
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