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Old 04-23-08, 03:15 PM
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Oh, great. Now I need to bring a calculator and the bathroom scale into the garage each morning.
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Old 04-23-08, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
The tires on my Radio Flyer three wheeler don't seem to have a place to put air in them.

What now, genius?
When did you upgrade your rig??
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Old 04-23-08, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
- *shakes head* - most riders ride with their tires pumped way too high. Seems they all decided to post today.
According to your formula, mine are too low at 120psi.
I'm just glad you didn't post this before RAIN last year, or I would have surely had a pinch flat!
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The formulas don't take into account those at the far ends of the spectrum

They provide a good baseline for those that don't know where they should be. Too many rider pump their tires to what is on the sidewall as the max without any other reason other than ....that's what's on the sidewall as a max....
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
The formulas don't take into account those at the far ends of the spectrum

They provide a good baseline for those that don't know where they should be. Too many rider pump their tires to what is on the sidewall as the max without any other reason other than ....that's what's on the sidewall as a max....
so, where is the fancy formula to determine if u are at the far end of the spectrum?
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Old 04-23-08, 03:42 PM
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Seems to work. I get something around 115psi for my 23mm tires which is feasible, though on the high side. I actually run them closer to 103 front/108 rear. I weigh in at 185lbs.

I get relatively few flats, though I might be working on the good will banked up with the flat gods after my 4 puncture flats in two days run last fall with the one-in-a-million-run-over-a-razorblade-and-cut-the-tire-in-half day the week before.
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Old 04-23-08, 03:58 PM
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I've definitely been running at about MAX - 5 p.s.i. for both tires the last couple of years. I had figured I didn't want to put it all the way to max, but had no info on how much under it should be.

So for me, 175lbs, 23c tires...

Tire Width=23: Pressure(psi) = 0.33 * Rider Weight in lbs + 53.33
111.08 rear, 99.972 front. I guess I'll need a more accurate guage
Actually, I guess I haven't been that bad on the rear tire. Only about +4 psi there, but I'm closer to +15psi on the front. I will give it a try, but if I get a flat I'm coming for your head.
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Old 04-23-08, 05:23 PM
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Is this total bicycle load, or just rider weight? That could be 15-20 lbs (pounds) difference. Is this love, baby, or is this confusion.
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Old 04-23-08, 07:11 PM
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my head hurts. cant someone just pump my tires up for me. this is just crazy. later.
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Old 04-23-08, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by otismedina
Is this total bicycle load, or just rider weight? That could be 15-20 lbs (pounds) difference. Is this love, baby, or is this confusion.
Just rider weight. Their is a chart with curves that Bicycling put out many moons ago that uses total weight, but honestly how many of you would suit up, with bottles and tools, etc on the bike and get on a scale??

Like I said - it gives you a great starting point.

For me formula yields 103FX114R. I run at 7.2bar front and 8 rear on 23mm tires. (104FX116R). Rides great and no flats.

EDIT: Can't wait until my next tip.
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Wow, according to your formulas I have been inflating my tires to the proper inflation +/- a couple pounds.
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Old 04-23-08, 07:37 PM
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I just pump until my arms are to weak to fill more air into my tires. Is that OK or am I underinflating my tires and ego too much?
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102/92 for me. Close to the 100/95 I normally use.
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This is really making me rethink my body weight.
How much does 14 inches of thick hair weigh?!!
should I keep my nails short too? I could weigh GRAMS less!
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Originally Posted by artifice
so, where is the fancy formula to determine if u are at the far end of the spectrum?
If you use the formula and the recommended inflation exceeds the max rating of your tire, welcome to the far end of the spectrum. We serve pizza at noon.
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Originally Posted by artifice
so, where is the fancy formula to determine if u are at the far end of the spectrum?
1. look down--do you see your toes? Yes: within 68%, NO: you are on the tail end of spectrum.
2. look down--is it hard to find your body? Yes: see a doctor...wait, stop at Hardies/taco bell/DDs, McDs, eat, then see a doctor, NO: you are within the 68%
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I'm past the far end of the spectrum. I fill my tires to max psi and I still hear them groan when they see me approch in my shorts.
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Old 04-23-08, 10:01 PM
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Can't wait for tomorrow's Tip o' the Day. It'll probably involve a slide rule and an astrolabe.
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Old 04-24-08, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by chipcom
If you use the formula and the recommended inflation exceeds the max rating of your tire, welcome to the far end of the spectrum. We serve pizza at noon.
Now that's funny!

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Old 04-24-08, 05:13 AM
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109 rear
98 front

was 120 and 120

I could tell the difference right away. The front end felt softer and had more grip in the corners. I felt more comfortable leaning farther over and I had more confidence with higher entrance speeds. I did not sence an increase in rolling resistance. I was able to "spin-out" in top gear in several places.

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Old 04-24-08, 06:38 AM
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I have pretty extensive morning meetings this morning. Post the tip near lunchtime.
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Old 04-24-08, 07:07 AM
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So my tubes are always getting pinched by the tire bead at the valve stem. What am I doing wrong?
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Old 04-24-08, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeBee650
So my tubes are always getting pinched by the tire bead at the valve stem. What am I doing wrong?
After you seat the tire on the rim, push the valve stem inwards into the tire. Otherwise the section of tube surrounding the valve stem may get trapped under the tire bead.
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Old 04-24-08, 07:21 AM
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Mine came out to 100.08 rear, so now I have to find a tire guage that reads to hundredths of a psi.
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Old 04-24-08, 07:23 AM
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I used Psimet's formula to not only pump up my tires, but to calculate my IQ.

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