Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos
06-06-20, 10:40 AM
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Ochsner 63.5 classic rebuild
Cant show pix until 10xFrame + Fork: Ochsner 63.5 cm NEW/NOS
Headset: Shimano 105 NEW/NOS
Handlesbar: ITM Super Racing PRO 260 46; double groove
Stem: ITM "Ochsner" 100 NEW/NOS
Seatpost: ITM 27.2; fluted
Saddle: Selle San Marco Squadra "Ochsner" Titanium rails NEW/NOS
Pedale: Look PP247
Bartape: BBB NEW
Rims: SunRims ME14A 32 hole NEW
Spokes: Sapim race, butted 2.0/1.8/2.0 NEW
Nipples: DT Swiss Brass NEW
Hubs: Shimano Ultegra 600; 8-speed 32 hole
Skewers: Shimano Ultegra 600
Tires: Vittoria Corsa Graphene 28 mm NEW
Tubes: NEW
Brake Lever: Shimano Ultegra 600 STI
Shifter Shimano Ultegra 600 STI
Cable stops: Shimano
Brakes: Shimano Ultegra 600 6403
Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra 600 6401; braze-on
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra 600 6403; 8-speed
Crankset: Shimano Ultegra 600 175; 53/39
Bottom Bracket Shimano HG71 113; ITA
Cassette: Shimano HG72 12-25; 8-speed
Chain: Shimano HG91 8-speed NEW/NOS
Cables + Housing: Jagwire NEW
Bottle Cage: Elite Ciussi Inox NEW
Headset: Shimano 105 NEW/NOS
Handlesbar: ITM Super Racing PRO 260 46; double groove
Stem: ITM "Ochsner" 100 NEW/NOS
Seatpost: ITM 27.2; fluted
Saddle: Selle San Marco Squadra "Ochsner" Titanium rails NEW/NOS
Pedale: Look PP247
Bartape: BBB NEW
Rims: SunRims ME14A 32 hole NEW
Spokes: Sapim race, butted 2.0/1.8/2.0 NEW
Nipples: DT Swiss Brass NEW
Hubs: Shimano Ultegra 600; 8-speed 32 hole
Skewers: Shimano Ultegra 600
Tires: Vittoria Corsa Graphene 28 mm NEW
Tubes: NEW
Brake Lever: Shimano Ultegra 600 STI
Shifter Shimano Ultegra 600 STI
Cable stops: Shimano
Brakes: Shimano Ultegra 600 6403
Front Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra 600 6401; braze-on
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Ultegra 600 6403; 8-speed
Crankset: Shimano Ultegra 600 175; 53/39
Bottom Bracket Shimano HG71 113; ITA
Cassette: Shimano HG72 12-25; 8-speed
Chain: Shimano HG91 8-speed NEW/NOS
Cables + Housing: Jagwire NEW
Bottle Cage: Elite Ciussi Inox NEW
06-06-20, 02:41 PM
#7727
Blamester
Just finished and ready to ride "Ex" flat bar hybrid 93 Giant Innova turned gravel bike with sti's. Frame and fork restored then mostly rebuilt with parts I had, some new.
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06-06-20, 05:42 PM
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06-06-20, 07:06 PM
#7729
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Just finished up my son's puch but ran into some problems.
For groupset I used sram apex, everything went well except for the front derailleur which doesnt want to reach unless I tension tha xable super tight. So now it'll shift bit makes a very loud clicking sound on the down shift.
I figure the problem is the clamp on adapter which brings the derailleur closer to the frame by a few mm, then a the problem is compounded with outboard cups that pushes the crank further away. Anyone solve this problem? Was told the newer sram have a further reach? Thanks.
For groupset I used sram apex, everything went well except for the front derailleur which doesnt want to reach unless I tension tha xable super tight. So now it'll shift bit makes a very loud clicking sound on the down shift.
I figure the problem is the clamp on adapter which brings the derailleur closer to the frame by a few mm, then a the problem is compounded with outboard cups that pushes the crank further away. Anyone solve this problem? Was told the newer sram have a further reach? Thanks.
Cable tension is ridonkulous compared to Shimano and if you're not using strong quality cables they will stretch rather quickly. I've been running DuraAce ptfe cables and had to retension them twice beteen 300 and 600 miles. They won't last long.
Only the yaw front derailleurs have a longer reach, Apex road 10 speed was not updated to yaw, as far as I know only 11 speed was updated to yaw.
The outboard bb should not be a problem using a band on derailleur, unless the BB shell is wider than 68mm in which case you would not be able to fit the cranks anyway..
Check the limit screws carefully.
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06-06-20, 09:48 PM
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I know, that's of no help here.
Anyways, neat kid's bike build. Maybe rotate the bars down a bit so the levers are more level and can be accessed comfortably from the drops?...that may mean raising the stem though, if where the leverd are now is what fits.
06-07-20, 01:39 AM
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and black on the tops and bottoms (handlebar wrap/hoods, tires, saddle). my first campy set...have only ridden shimano before and the potenza is a little different but not wildly so.
only have about 70 miles on the new potenza groupset and the bike but hope to hit the 500 mile mark for june with this build.
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06-08-20, 03:17 AM
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I realize that it is over a month since this was posted, but I gotta ask... It looks like you have Campy Brifters, an old Shimano Deore XT rear mech, and an even older Deore "Deerhead" front mech. If that is correct, do the parts work well together? What size cassette are you running on the back? 9 speed? 10speed? That is an outstanding looking build!
06-08-20, 05:05 AM
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06-08-20, 05:48 AM
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Yes I've seen that and don't blame him for being disappointed. But he was having a derailleur issue though and was probably forcing the shift lever, well that's what I think. As he was saying he could/ would do things different again setting it up.
I'm already using a Shimano mechs and lubed cables from the beginning and love the sti's. They look and feel great, the levers feel very light to use and shifting is sharp and spot on. Can't complain so far.
06-08-20, 06:15 AM
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06-08-20, 07:41 AM
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I realize that it is over a month since this was posted, but I gotta ask... It looks like you have Campy Brifters, an old Shimano Deore XT rear mech, and an even older Deore "Deerhead" front mech. If that is correct, do the parts work well together? What size cassette are you running on the back? 9 speed? 10speed? That is an outstanding looking build!
And yes, it all works beautifully together.The brifters are "old" (pre-2001) 9-speeds. Their cable pull per click is the same as Shimano 6-speed indexed levers, so if combined with a Shimano SIS rear derailleur (any will work, except for some older Dura-Ace stuff), it works with any 5- or 6-speed rear block that has a 5.5mm pitch. The superfluous clicks are blocked out by the RD "L" limiting screw. On this bike I am running a 5-speed SunRace freewheel, with modern ramped cogs for the smoothest en quickest shifting.
Front shifting is not really indexed with Campagnolo. It's a ratcheting system, which means it works with any front derailleur that will swing out far enough to cover the width of the chainset.
One reason I started playing around with this "ShimErgo" concept a while back is that it provides a cheap and easy way to brifterize an old 10 or 12-speed bike. All you need is a pair of old Ergo's and a SIS RD. Compressionless cable housing and ramped cogs are not strictly necessary, but do improve the user experience significantly.
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06-08-20, 08:31 AM
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06-08-20, 09:27 AM
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06-08-20, 10:02 AM
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That's not my bike, but I built a bike using that seatpost (or one very similar) and a sprung saddle (B-72 knockoff) for my wife. There's some creaking, but I've never been able to determine whether it's the saddle or something else (post didn't occur to me). I just sort of assumed it was the springs and, since she doesn't ride it much, haven't worried too much about it. Now, I'm going to go down a rabbit hole.
06-08-20, 10:07 AM
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That's not my bike, but I built a bike using that seatpost (or one very similar) and a sprung saddle (B-72 knockoff) for my wife. There's some creaking, but I've never been able to determine whether it's the saddle or something else (post didn't occur to me). I just sort of assumed it was the springs and, since she doesn't ride it much, haven't worried too much about it. Now, I'm going to go down a rabbit hole.
06-08-20, 05:12 PM
#7743
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2001 Lemond Zurich
Haven't posted in a while. I had been riding an '89 Schwinn Paramount that I adored, but a couple years ago it was stolen out of my garage. Some time later, an eBay search alert popped up for "Lemond Zurich" and it happened to be my favorite colorway/year for any of the Trek-built frames AND signed by the man himself. Initially built it up in silver with 7800 and aluminum rims and then rebuilt it last year with new everything and a Columbus Minimal fork painted to match (because it's extra af). Awesome ride, and hopefully I can keep it forever.
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06-08-20, 08:52 PM
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06-08-20, 10:07 PM
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Thank you! Correct, your parts identification skills are well-honed. And yes, it all works beautifully together.
The brifters are "old" (pre-2001) 9-speeds. Their cable pull per click is the same as Shimano 6-speed indexed levers, so if combined with a Shimano SIS rear derailleur (any will work, except for some older Dura-Ace stuff), it works with any 5- or 6-speed rear block that has a 5.5mm pitch. The superfluous clicks are blocked out by the RD "L" limiting screw. On this bike I am running a 5-speed SunRace freewheel, with modern ramped cogs for the smoothest en quickest shifting.
Front shifting is not really indexed with Campagnolo. It's a ratcheting system, which means it works with any front derailleur that will swing out far enough to cover the width of the chainset.
One reason I started playing around with this "ShimErgo" concept a while back is that it provides a cheap and easy way to brifterize an old 10 old 12-speed bike. All you need is a pair of old Ergo's and a SIS RD. Compressionless cable housing and ramped cogs are not strictly necessary, but do improve the user experience significantly.
And yes, it all works beautifully together.The brifters are "old" (pre-2001) 9-speeds. Their cable pull per click is the same as Shimano 6-speed indexed levers, so if combined with a Shimano SIS rear derailleur (any will work, except for some older Dura-Ace stuff), it works with any 5- or 6-speed rear block that has a 5.5mm pitch. The superfluous clicks are blocked out by the RD "L" limiting screw. On this bike I am running a 5-speed SunRace freewheel, with modern ramped cogs for the smoothest en quickest shifting.
Front shifting is not really indexed with Campagnolo. It's a ratcheting system, which means it works with any front derailleur that will swing out far enough to cover the width of the chainset.
One reason I started playing around with this "ShimErgo" concept a while back is that it provides a cheap and easy way to brifterize an old 10 old 12-speed bike. All you need is a pair of old Ergo's and a SIS RD. Compressionless cable housing and ramped cogs are not strictly necessary, but do improve the user experience significantly.
06-12-20, 07:44 PM
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Just finished this one up. It's an '87 Schwinn Circuit with a Columbus SL/SP frame. Built from the frame up with an 8 speed Campy Mirage group (except the front derailleur which is a Suntour 4050). Also repping a Yellow Jersey water bottle--easily my fave shop.
06-12-20, 08:31 PM
#7747
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aluminummonster Nice work. What's the ride report ? Fast ? Smooth ? Any comparisons ?
06-12-20, 08:46 PM
#7748
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aluminummonster Nice work. What's the ride report ? Fast ? Smooth ? Any comparisons ?
06-12-20, 09:58 PM
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8 speed Tricolor, though the cranks and front derailleur are decidedly more modern and the wheels are ultra modern 6800. Fun bike though really should go ride it tomorrow.
06-15-20, 03:24 PM
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Dialing in the fit before bar tape. I’m definitely liking this more than the mismatched 3x7 XC Pro / IRD that worked well most of the time except for when it really didn’t...my fault
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