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Old 05-20-16, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
Definitely a hard sell. Although it might be more of an act of philanthropy than of business.

Although Felt made the TK1 in both sprint and endurance models - I wonder if they'd make a Pursuit-only version of this bike, and then make a more consumer-friendly version of it with regular spacing, right hand drive, and a grip of stems to work with their system.
Recall that the "sprint" version of the TK1 was probably a reaction to Jamie Staff asking for some changes for his riders (i.e. Make it stiffer. Ditch the bayonet stem system). No angles or any other dimensions were changed to make it more sprint-friendly.

Note that none of the top sprint bikes (British Super Bike, BT, etc...) are overly complex. Only the LOOK sprint bikes are complex. But, recall that that frame also started as mod of a road TT frame.

So, I think this new felt and it's derivatives would (and should) always be pursuit bikes. I know Sales and Marketing would love to say, "...and you can race mass start and sprints on it, too!!" but they probably shouldn't.

I'm not dissing Felt. I REALLY love and appreciate that they are actively trying to break out of the mold of designing bikes to fit components that have been around for decades. Change is hard. Recall that quill stems were once mainstream and someone had to introduce non-threaded forks and stems as we know it. Tough sell, but totally worth it and we consumers benefited.
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Another new track bike from Argon 18 for the Dutch national pursuit team.

New Argon Electron Pro debuts sharp design under the Danish national track team - Bikerumor

This one seems to be made to ride only with mavic comete rio and a tt bar.
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Another new track bike from Argon 18 for the Dutch national pursuit team.

New Argon Electron Pro debuts sharp design under the Danish national track team - Bikerumor

This one seems to be made to ride only with mavic comete rio and a tt bar.
Nice!



I"m glad to see that it's adjustable.

Recall Bicycle Marketing 101 rule #1 : Mention that your new bike is lighter, stiffer, faster, and more aero than anything else.



They claim the end result is a bike that is faster and stiffer than either party had ever worked with on the track.
"Stiff" is mentioned 7 times in the Argon article. Felt mentions "fast" 8 times and "aero" 11 times

I'm in the wrong business.
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Also those chain tensionner on the Argon 18 seems finicky to use. Would rather have a dropouts like the dolan DF3/4
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https://hedcycling.com/track/track-wheels/volo

I was wondering how the new hed wheel dealt with the left hand drive of the new felt. Looks like it uses a White Industries splined cog.

EDIT: I also find it interesting that the valve hole appears to end up on the left side of the hed discs on the new felt bike. You'd think that would be less aero than if it were on the opposite side.

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Old 05-20-16, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkWW View Post
While having fun on their site, I found out their track clincher Jets can only handle 100 psi. What the hell is that?

this way cheaper chinese company makes U shaped carbon clinchers that can handle 160...

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Originally Posted by MarkWW View Post
https://hedcycling.com/track/track-wheels/volo

I was wondering how the new hed wheel dealt with the left hand drive of the new felt. Looks like it uses a White Industries splined cog.

EDIT: I also find it interesting that the valve hole appears to end up on the left side of the hed discs on the new felt bike. You'd think that would be less aero than if it were on the opposite side.
I know a dude who worked on those wheels - we chatted at a party last night. WI splined cogs, lenticular discs, 28mm rim bed for some special tires made for this project.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Nice!



I"m glad to see that it's adjustable.

Recall Bicycle Marketing 101 rule #1 : Mention that your new bike is lighter, stiffer, faster, and more aero than anything else.





"Stiff" is mentioned 7 times in the Argon article. Felt mentions "fast" 8 times and "aero" 11 times

I'm in the wrong business.
Argon made the Danish team some Cervelos to replace their Cervelos.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
I know a dude who worked on those wheels - we chatted at a party last night. WI splined cogs, lenticular discs, 28mm rim bed for some special tires made for this project.
The WI spline seems to be pretty common now, but I feel like if you're doing all this work for a new wheel, why not just come up with your own spline that'll let you create a 12t or even 11t cog.
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There's more friction when bending the chain around a small cog, so I don't see the need for a custom spine to support a 12t or 11t. I expect we'll see big cogs and big chainrings, while maintaining the gear ratio the rider needs. (Wiggins rode a 58-14 during the hour.)

Friction Facts: free speed from proper shifting - BikeRadar USA
Friction Facts’ earlier study on rear derailleur pulley size suggested that larger-diameter chainrings and cogs would produce less friction than smaller ones, and this latest exercise confirms that hypothesis. Despite the fact that bigger chainrings and cogs create higher chain speed (which slightly increases friction), Friction Facts says the lower chain tension and reduced individual chain link rotation more than offset lower frictional losses overall.
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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
this way cheaper chinese company makes U shaped carbon clinchers that can handle 160...
If you have a look on the RH column, the recommended max is only 120PSI. If you want to run deep dish carbon on track, why bother with clinchers? Just go straight for tubs
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Old 05-28-16, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
If you have a look on the RH column, the recommended max is only 120PSI. If you want to run deep dish carbon on track, why bother with clinchers? Just go straight for tubs
90% of my racing is at Kissena, where the track is in pretty rough shape. Not to mention I don't have a car- so I have to commute by bike a little each way off the train.

At some point I'll move somewhere with a fancy track, but till then I'll be on deep clinchers.
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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
90% of my racing is at Kissena, where the track is in pretty rough shape. Not to mention I don't have a car- so I have to commute by bike a little each way off the train.

At some point I'll move somewhere with a fancy track, but till then I'll be on deep clinchers.
This problem has already been solved:



Use your street wheels to get you to the track as you carry your race wheels.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
This problem has already been solved:



Use your street wheels to get you to the track as you carry your race wheels.
Haha! No way am I bring race wheels, bike, AND all my other **** on the train.
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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
Haha! No way am I bring race wheels, bike, AND all my other **** on the train.
How much stuff do you need? The rest should fit in the backpack.
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How much stuff do you need? The rest should fit in the backpack.
Wednesday, just before rush hour, on any train in the tri-state area...no thanks.
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Wednesday, just before rush hour, on any train in the tri-state area...no thanks.
bingo.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
This problem has already been solved:



Use your street wheels to get you to the track as you carry your race wheels.
For info, decades ago track and TT racers in the UK used to carry their tubular tired wheels to races using wheel carriers. This site shows the wheel carriers https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/...or-cyclocross/. You could make the carriers yourself using flat aluminum bar.
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British Cycling teases new Cervelo track bike ahead of Rio Olympics | road.cc

teaser of the new cervelo track bike. Probably exclusive to GB team for this year and public release for 2017. Look to atleast be usable with standard drop bars. Curious if the sprint squad will actually switch from their old superbike to the cervelo. My guess for the name is the T5.
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Originally Posted by Godsight View Post
British Cycling teases new Cervelo track bike ahead of Rio Olympics | road.cc

teaser of the new cervelo track bike. Probably exclusive to GB team for this year and public release for 2017. Look to atleast be usable with standard drop bars. Curious if the sprint squad will actually switch from their old superbike to the cervelo. My guess for the name is the T5.
WTH
It's not red!!!!
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
This problem has already been solved:

<<photo of ENVE backpack>>
I have that bag, and even being a queen-bag-lady at the track, I still managed to get it to work pretty well.
Rollers under the arm, everything else in/on the backpack, roll slowly through the side streets & the park.
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Cervelo T5!!
Cervélo T5GB: British Cycling's new track bike for Rio 2016 - BikeRadar
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Originally Posted by Godsight View Post
British Cycling teases new Cervelo track bike ahead of Rio Olympics | road.cc

teaser of the new cervelo track bike. Probably exclusive to GB team for this year and public release for 2017. Look to atleast be usable with standard drop bars. Curious if the sprint squad will actually switch from their old superbike to the cervelo. My guess for the name is the T5.
It will be interesting to see if Cervelo moves away from road TT geometry with this frame.....
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Originally Posted by Koogar View Post
It will be interesting to see if Cervelo moves away from road TT geometry with this frame.....
I'm willing to bet a dollar that they did not.

I'm also willing to bet another dollar that the GB sprinters do not use this frame.





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