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Old 05-19-16, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Good catch. It looks like the rule has changed.

Gycho, it appears that you can go 10cm below the top of your tire based on the rule listed above.
Today I looked at around 100 track bikes from small to large and belonging to a cyclists from world class to beginners. Only one bike had its bars level with the top of the front wheel.

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Possibly scouring the net for pictures of juniors may give a better result. The rule allowing a lower bar position is relatively new so a lot of seniors are just too big to worry or already happy with where they are. The juniors are affected by the same rules as us so you might see some lower bar positions in junior competition.
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Great, in addition to still being 5 lbs overweight, now I want to be makin' bacon pancakes....
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Originally Posted by Koogar View Post
Great, in addition to still being 5 lbs overweight, now I want to be makin' bacon pancakes....
Think of that 5lbs as "Strategic Energy Storage" and bacon pancakes are morale boosters.

(My fat guy logic)
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Does anyone use this wingnuts for training?
I think this nuts will be helpful when you are training.
I'm not going to buy this. I just want to hear your opinions on this
Wing Nuts

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Originally Posted by gycho77 View Post
Does anyone use this wingnuts for training?
I think this nuts will be helpful when you are training, because it helps us swap the cog faster.
I'm not going to buy this. I just want to hear your opinions on this
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No. Those are decorative. For show bikes.

Roadies used those before Mr. Campagnolo invented the quick release. That's why a quick release lever is in their logo:

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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
No. Those are decorative. For show bikes.

Roadies used those before Mr. Campagnolo invented the quick release. That's why a quick release lever is in their logo:
Clearly decorative. He actually could've made something properly structural that looked exactly the same if he wanted too.
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Old 05-22-16, 12:10 AM
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did the diamondback vails ever come out? axman
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Apparently only a small production run. By small I mean roughly 25. About half went to "sponsored" riders.
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Assuming no need for seating, what is the minimum surface area needed to build a 250m velodrome?
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Anyone here race at T-Town? Their website is beautiful but confusing and seems tailored more towards spectators and pro racing (not a bad thing necessarily). I'm moving to the area (working in Allentown for at least a little while) and want to get back to racing (didn't race at all in 2015, pregnant wife and now baby here) and at least training again.

I can't for the life of me figure out when the non-masters amateur racing is (I'm a Cat 4 on the track, racing age 28) or if there is any sort of training to ride on the track. I've raced at Giordana which is a 250, so I assume they'd waive any training since 333 is the same lines/etiquette/rules but less steep, but I can't find that anywhere online. I don't want to show up some day to an open session hoping to ride a bit and get told I need to take a class or whatever.

I sent them an e-mail, but I assume someone here will know something too. Any advice/experiences/thoughts to share on T-Town in the meantime? It looks really nice and very well established and busy, which is great. I hope there's a place for fat slow guys like me though.
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Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
Anyone here race at T-Town? Their website is beautiful but confusing and seems tailored more towards spectators and pro racing (not a bad thing necessarily). I'm moving to the area (working in Allentown for at least a little while) and want to get back to racing (didn't race at all in 2015, pregnant wife and now baby here) and at least training again.

I can't for the life of me figure out when the non-masters amateur racing is (I'm a Cat 4 on the track, racing age 28) or if there is any sort of training to ride on the track. I've raced at Giordana which is a 250, so I assume they'd waive any training since 333 is the same lines/etiquette/rules but less steep, but I can't find that anywhere online. I don't want to show up some day to an open session hoping to ride a bit and get told I need to take a class or whatever.

I sent them an e-mail, but I assume someone here will know something too. Any advice/experiences/thoughts to share on T-Town in the meantime? It looks really nice and very well established and busy, which is great. I hope there's a place for fat slow guys like me though.
As a 4, you'd race on Saturdays (Masters & Rookies). Saturdays are cat 4 and 5 men, I think cat 4 women, and masters. Probably juniors, too. Tuesdays are stagiares (cat 2/3 men), pro-am (p/1/2 men), women (p/1/2/3), and i think some juniors, too. Fridays are P/1/2 men and women. As far as training, I think it's all fair game as long as there isn't anything already scheduled on the calendar. Sometimes you'll have to work in with another group, but everybody is pretty chill. Also, there's no certification required to ride or race the track.
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Old 05-26-16, 09:29 AM
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Great, thanks. That's helpful. The Masters and Rookies thing threw me. It sounds like Masters (as in 35+) and juniors or something. I didn't know what rookies meant. So once I got to 3 on the track I'd move to Tuesday night (and get shelled by 2s).

Interesting that open track is just that, open to anyone. Seems a bit crazy coming from Giordana, but maybe the banking is low enough that it isn't as intimidating for new people or as dangerous (30 versus 42.5). If you go too slow or ride a road bike at Giordana, you're gonna have a bad time pretty quickly. Seems like they allow any bicycle at all, at least on the FAQ (No skateboards or roller blades, though those both sound pretty awesome).

It looks like an awesome facility with a lot of support and a lot to do. I'm excited to be in the area. Hopefully it'll be convenient enough that I'll start racing again.
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Interesting that open track is just that, open to anyone. Seems a bit crazy coming from Giordana, but maybe the banking is low enough that it isn't as intimidating for new people or as dangerous (30 versus 42.5).
I had a teammate who'd only ridden on 250m/43d tracks go race Masters Nats in Indianapolis a couple years ago. On the neutral lap, everybody was going super slow and he started freaking out, going, "Guys! Guys! Guys! You gotta speed up!" - before he realized that on 27deg banking, going too slow wasn't going to cause any calamity.
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Yeah, I've seen some ugly crashes from people going too slow on the neutral laps. It's a long way down from halfway up the banking at 12 mph, and the transition to the apron is sudden and hard when you get there.
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Old 05-26-16, 01:55 PM
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I don't think there's much open at T-Town once the season starts. The track is open for training Thursday nights. Motorpacing is Wed afternoons. They're usually pretty good at getting back to emails, so they can fill in the details
MarkWW has the race schedule correct.
See you on Saturday!
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Also, racing on Saturdays starts at something like 9AM and is done by noon or so. Personal warmups start before that. I don't recall there being an organized paceline. Coming from NOVA, I had to leave at like 4:30 in the AM to go race up there.
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Originally Posted by MrMinty View Post
Assuming no need for seating, what is the minimum surface area needed to build a 250m velodrome?
The area required varies according to local government rules - considerations include drainage, restrooms, parking lot, access road, and landscaping (and of course seating).

This publication might provide answers to your question:
project guide velodromes
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Also, racing on Saturdays starts at something like 9AM and is done by noon or so. Personal warmups start before that. I don't recall there being an organized paceline. Coming from NOVA, I had to leave at like 4:30 in the AM to go race up there.
Looks like they fixed that. Noon to 3 now is what I see. Much more convenient.
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T.Town changed their website few days ago, so call T.Town amd ask them.
Before you visit check T.Town facebook, because they might move pro races, so you are not allowed to ride on the track.
And if you are sprinter, you have to attend endurance races until you become a pro
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Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
Looks like they fixed that. Noon to 3 now is what I see. Much more convenient.
...and much more hot.


Maybe I'm remembering the start times wrong. I do recall going there early in the morning. But, maybe those were training days for me. This was like 5 years ago.
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Tracks have different shapes. Some have shorter straights but larger radius bends. Some are longer (cigar shaped).

A circle encloses the most area for the least amount of perimeter. A circular track that is only as wide as the sprinters lane will technically give you the least surface area. In reality, the shape, width of riding surface, and banking will affect how much area you need. Steeper bankings need less area for the same width, but this usually necessitates a tighter radius turn, giving you longer straights, will increases area.
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Not accounting for structural buttressing, you could fit one of these in an 80mx80m square
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Originally Posted by 700wheel View Post
The area required varies according to local government rules - considerations include drainage, restrooms, parking lot, access road, and landscaping (and of course seating).

This publication might provide answers to your question:
project guide velodromes
To expand on the above you could find the area required for various velodromes by finding them on Google maps and measuring the area. The scale is on the lower right of the map page.

For example here is Encino (250 m)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1818...18.5084442,20z
The track alone would fit in a rectangular area 220 ft x 420 ft = 92400 sq ft or 10,267 sq yd.
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Great, thanks. That's helpful. The Masters and Rookies thing threw me. It sounds like Masters (as in 35+) and juniors or something. I didn't know what rookies meant. So once I got to 3 on the track I'd move to Tuesday night (and get shelled by 2s).

Interesting that open track is just that, open to anyone. Seems a bit crazy coming from Giordana, but maybe the banking is low enough that it isn't as intimidating for new people or as dangerous (30 versus 42.5). If you go too slow or ride a road bike at Giordana, you're gonna have a bad time pretty quickly. Seems like they allow any bicycle at all, at least on the FAQ (No skateboards or roller blades, though those both sound pretty awesome).

It looks like an awesome facility with a lot of support and a lot to do. I'm excited to be in the area. Hopefully it'll be convenient enough that I'll start racing again.
It's a great facility with a great atmosphere. Please be sure to watch the opening night of UCI racing on Friday June 2. They will have fireworks that weekend and the racing should motivate you to work your way up the ranks to race on Fridays.

As for me, I live in MD, so during the Summer I drive up to Ttown in my RV and ride the track Friday afternoon just before the pros start showing up, watch the Friday night races, hit the track-side farm market for breakfast, race Saturday afternoon, find dinner at a local restaurant, hit the track on Sunday morning followed by a road ride and the trip back home. I think it makes for a perfect weekend. Now only if I hadn't let myself get so out of shape this cold and rainy spring.
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